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    Having had Rollins spout a promo that pretends the writers know or care how shit Raw is Vinnie Mac is back on Raw to SHAKE THINGS UP this week. Not sure if this means an impromptu roster shuffle or what.

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    He'll probably move a few people about. It's basically pressing a reset button and letting some fresh stories start. They really need Styles on Raw.

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    Probably just to move the whole RAW GM/Jezza story along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    He'll probably move a few people about. It's basically pressing a reset button and letting some fresh stories start. They really need Styles on Raw.
    I think the people paying millions of dollars to show Smackdown would have something to say about that.

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    Vince

    Literally the only man (except Ospreay) who could make me slightly interested in watching that shit.

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    Speaking of, the tag match this morning between Golden Lovers and Ospreay/Tanahashi was amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    I think the people paying millions of dollars to show Smackdown would have something to say about that.
    They're expecting double the current viewership or close to. They're mental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browning View Post
    Vince

    Literally the only man (except Ospreay) who could make me slightly interested in watching that shit.
    He doesn't add anything these days other than a reminder to go back and watch old clips so you'd be better served just doing that.

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    He'll fire Baron Corbin signifying that the show will then get better, and then after the break the Revival will lose a 5-on-2 match to some midgets.

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    Are The Revival now face?

    They're clearly getting shafted in the quest for fair competition.

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    I'm pretty sure we're supposed to be rooting for the Luchas even though they're not cheating in a sneaky Guerrero-esque way, just being given a ludicrous advantage. It was bad enough in the tag matches but that singles match with Dawson took the piss.

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    When the heels are ganging up it's awful, but when the luchas do it's the progression of tag team wrestling or something stupid like that. I swear every face is booked to be a proper shit, whereas Daniel Bryan wants you to put your rubbish in the right bin and stop using aerosols.

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    The faces are portrayed as stupid far too often to make them likeable, but it's ok because there's only about three left in the company.

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    Network: Shit RAW ratings are down what are we gonna do?

    WWE: Hold my Beer. We got Vince.

    Accurate. Do we even know the Road To WrassleMania yet? All I can gather is that Ambrose-Rollins is set in stone?

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    That's not set in stone if you believe the rumours.

    Wrestlemania has been cobbled together last minute for at least the last couple of years. Probably more. It definitely hasn't felt like we've had the build we used to so don't expect much until after the Rumble.

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    Rumours are for Becky to drop the title as well as Rollins tomorrow.

    They then win the Rumbles to set up Becky/Rousey and Rollins/Bork.

    I would love it if they let Rollins be the top guy but I don't see it.

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    I read a thing the other day saying Vince wants Bork to lose to Boatman at the Rumble so he can then lose it to McIntyre at Mania. HHH supposedly wants Rollins to beat Bork at Mania. That would be ace but it's not happening. The first one sounds more likely if Boatman is fit enough.

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    First is more likely I feel.

    HHH is actively pushing for Rollins to be THE GUY which he should be but he's about a foot too short for Vince which sucks.

    I wouldn't even be surprised if they throw Lars Sullivan into the mix somehow. He didn't do a huge amount in NXT (which usually relates to HUGE PUSH on the main) and he's like a slightly smaller (and more shit) version of Braun.

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    Nah, Vince's boner aside Sullivan isn't going to do anything that soon.

    Rollins deserves to be the guy they build Raw around but it won't happen because getting over and being in good matches doesn't register with Vince.

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    The whole 'Stephanie and Shane are VYING FOR HIS SERVICES' thing is making me think they could do something mental with him.

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    Rollins has the same match every time though, complete with suffering the exact same knee injury.

    Much rather see Drew get the first British world title win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Speaking of, the tag match this morning between Golden Lovers and Ospreay/Tanahashi was amazing.
    Ospraeys spainish fly on both omega and Ibushi off the top rope at the same time was just insane as usual.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BraJ1r_H...=1u4jihbo0jd9e

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    The series of near falls that Omega and Ospreay put on that built to the end were fantastic. The Ladder War match from ROH on Friday was ridiculous as well.

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    "How can we make the Spanish Fly look less plausible?"
    "Watch this."

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    I find that Ospreay guy so boring. Nothing look like it hurts because it’s just a bunch of buff dudes doing rhythmic gymnastics.

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    I'm back and forth with him. Some matches I've seen of his I agree with you because he can be a bit indie-riffic where the spots mean nothing*, others have been brilliant.

    * WWE has the exact same issue but in reverse. They try to have everything mean so much that it renders it all meaningless when they're at their worst.

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    Also given TLC isn't usually one of their 19 hour extaravaganzas the card for tonight looks bloated as fuck, even allowing for two or three matches being on the pre-show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I'm back and forth with him. Some matches I've seen of his I agree with you because he can be a bit indie-riffic where the spots mean nothing*, others have been brilliant.

    * WWE has the exact same issue but in reverse. They try to have everything mean so much that it renders it all meaningless when they're at their worst.
    It can depend where you watch him, for example some of the sequences from this match will certainly be referenced in his match with Ibushi at Wrestle Kingdom, something you're less likely to get when he tours around other promotions.

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    It's the reason I'm less keen on PWG, even though they have some incredibly talented guys on their shows and they're good fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    The series of near falls that Omega and Ospreay put on that built to the end were fantastic. The Ladder War match from ROH on Friday was ridiculous as well.
    Nick Jackson almost dieing was a bit hows your father. I could only imagine the damage if he landed on a Japanese table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    "How can we make the Spanish Fly look less plausible?"
    "Watch this."
    Yeah it was but definitely setting up for WK as Disco pointed out.

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    Hadn't watched RAW (or SD) yet so thought I'd catch up before TLC.

    Kind of wishing I hadn't bothered after AOP/Glorious Nonces.
    Last edited by Sir Andy Mahowry; 17-12-2018 at 12:59 AM.

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    Bloody hell Suziki is on the undercard.

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    Some decent matches on TLC. The main event the obvious highlight.

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    I've thought before that they were laying it on thick with women suddenly being in the main event and all the FIRST _____ EVER!!!! stuff, but it really delivered last night. Most of the wrestling stuff WWE do is pretty great, hopefully they can get the rest sorted from when Vince shoots himself live on TV or whatever they've got planned for Raw.

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    Yea, I thought TLC was alright. I wasn't in love with the main event as much as I thought I would be, but it was still decent. I skipped through a few matches, and got bored of Styles Vs Bryan... but on the whole, it was enjoyable enough.

    The one mindfuck was Ruby Vs Nattie.... I didn't get the table with Ruby on it at all, unless Ruby is her own Father, and is also dead.

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    I'm watching now and the Boatman/Jezza match is actually really well scripted.

    It's strange seeing them actually use rules to the fullest.

    Kurt

    Edit: Natalya really can get fucked. This whole feud has been complete horseshit and to do it they've also killed the Riott Squad by having 'Nattie' (ugh) batter them all effectively. It was also way too fucking long.
    Last edited by Sir Andy Mahowry; 17-12-2018 at 09:51 PM.

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    It did feel a bit like poor Jeremy was getting the blame for it being shit, bless him.

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    got bored of Styles Vs Bryan... but on the whole, it was enjoyable enough.
    Any particular reason? I was liking the more patient pace and thought this was one instance where that ending works. I liked it a lot.

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    The one mindfuck was Ruby Vs Nattie.... I didn't get the table with Ruby on it at all, unless Ruby is her own Father, and is also dead.

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    On Styles/Bryan, I'm not sure, it just didn't click for me. I don't watch the weekly shows at all now, so I don't know if I'm missing something, but from the clips I've seen, the whole "New Daniel Bryan" thing just isn't working for me. It's not that he can't be a heel, but it's like they know that the YES MOVEMENT is still going to happen, so they don't book him like a heel, and want to keep booking him like a plucky underdog who has to overcome the odds. I didn't think it was horrible, but I wasn't really interested.

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    I was excited for heel Bryan, his first promo or two were really good.

    Then they made him into an eco warrior ultra vegan and it became very boring.

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    Bryan is getting proper boos. His heel turn is most certainly working.

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    What, why did Dolph attack Finn?

    Is Dolph now heel again? If so that's a proper Big Show turning circle as he's only been face for about a week.

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    Just finished Rousey/Lump and this was by far Rousey's best showing.

    I've been fairly critical of her but I thought she was great in the match. They made her look a lot more agile (great move against the giant sack) with some really slick moves. I really liked the step up knee she did and the attempted rear naked choke.

    Nia was a little sloppy and shit in the transitions which didn't make them look as swift which is a shame but it still worked. Oh and they didn't book Ronda into too many deer in headlights spots/scared shitless. They used those far too many in prior matches despite her being THE BADDEST WOMAN ON THE PLANET.

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    I'm staying up just for Vince tonight.

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    And I'm done.

    Cruiserweights (as always) delivered on the pre-show and I really liked Styles/Bryan and the main event.

    The run in with Rousey worked a hell of a lot as did the Asuka aspect. Some of the spots were also great (that was probably Flair's best spear) and this angle has done a hell of a lot for Flair and Lynch.

    Triple threat with Ronda at WM

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    I'm staying up just for Vince tonight.


    Got to see what shit goes down.

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    Rollins v Ambrose was total turd last night, btw. Such a massive let down.

    I would've rather had Becky v Ronda as a singles match, but I can tolerate Charlotte being involved I guess.

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    Rollins/Ambrose was the biggest let down.

    They completely fucked it, they should have made it more PERSONAL.

    Vinnie Mac

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    Triple H to take over completely?

    That would be the dream but I see H being the GM.

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    I'd love to see Vince back as a weekly character, but it's never going to happen. Haitch as new GM and Stephanie fired is my prediction.

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