By now we can't be a million miles away from a face saving agreement that to all intents and purposes changes nothing, can we?
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
By now we can't be a million miles away from a face saving agreement that to all intents and purposes changes nothing, can we?
That or the Article 50 deadline magically gets extended to infinity, to the same end.
I've woken up to the news that Boris Johnson is getting divorced for shagging around again. My only question is, even if it was to raise your own profile, would shagging Boris Johnson ever be worth it?
I dunno, May didn't get much from fucking him.
lol at how much coverage the Swedish election is getting, as if literally anybody in this country cares.
I've noticed that they LOVE elections where there's a chance/threat of the far right getting in, and all media interest completely disappears when that doesn't happen.
The hardest of brexits is coming. Get that border up
Was all of the information about Theresa May being a baffling, useless individual available to me two years ago? I have the feeling that, like people only finding out that Gordon Brown was a printer-throwing freak once it was too late, that it wasn't.
Won’t be able to say that with PM Corbz.
What because the internet will have collapsed?
Nationalised more like.
Exactly.
Yeah but there was nobody else.Originally Posted by Lewis
There still isn't either. The alternative to her is the battle bus of small cocked men like Boris, IDS and Bernard Jenkin driving into town and fucking everything up.
Between the nobodies making not-so-subtle noises about 'generational change', everybody piling into Boris Johnson, and the inevitable crack at it from some absolute whopper like Chris Grayling or Matthew 'Matt Hancock' Hancock, the next leadership contest will be amazing.
Someone needs to emerge telling both the wet fringe and the retard fringe to fuck off. Javid seems the best option to me, but 'the membership' probably aren't ready for an Asian.
I would have agreed at one point, but whoever doesn't resign from the government sooner rather than later is going down permanently with the good ship Chequers, so that rules him out.
We should be doing Norway really, but apparently anything that makes Bernard Jenkin cry is off the table.
You would definitely vote remain in the People's Vote.
Jeremy Hunt is going to end up as PM. No one will know how it happened, but it will.
I'd think about it depending on the prevailing climate. I thought about it in the proper one.
My main concern about Remaining now (regardless of method) is that it would establish a precedent that the clever ruling class are always right and that's basically the blueprint for dictatorship. For that reason I'm still up for leaving.
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It would also reaffirm that the Governmont can get out of doing something by purposefully fucking it up.
Speaking of the clever ruling class:
Tenner sez her parents were cousins.
The only thing more amusing than the seethe after the first one would be the reaction to a second vote going the same way.
Aye. The best bet for Remain, barring a chequers-esque fudge, is to simply refuse to do it (in Parliament). Yes, you still have to reap the whirlwind of a populist Rees-Mogg/Bojo/UKIP insurrection whenever you next have an election, but you'd get that with a second referundum anyway, and at least you remove the risk of losing the second one, which would be beyond careless, but quite possible.
I'm not really sure where the Parliament is against Brexit stuff comes from though. Didn't both major parties contest the last election with manifesto pledges to give effect to the referendum result?
They all assumed Remain would win (Cameron took this assumption right up to polling day). A lot of the same mongs got caught out by Corbyn.
I'm not sure a second vote would go the same way now. Not sure at all.
Yes, but are you sure it wouldn't?
It seems a high risk strategy for a potentially even worse result. You're fucking off 'democracy!' anyway, so may as well do it for some sort of gain/benefit.
Oh that comment wasn't linked to yours specifically, just that I think the absolute shambles this has turned into would sway a lot of people who didn't vote before into voting remain now and a lot of people who voted leave for reasons of principle to do the same.
What if the losers of the second vote ask for a People's, People's Vote?
Who cares?
Whatever you think of the EU, there's now a compelling argument to say that we'd be better off in it. Not because we actually should be better off, but because the people running the country clearly haven't a clue what they're doing.
Re-votes in every marginal constituency, forever, until the 'right' result is achieved.
That sounds quite Orwellian.
It's nothing to do with the 'right' result, as the 'right' result has clearly already happened (in that we voted and there was a result), but more that I think there'd be an air of pragmatism from a lot of people now.
That we seem incapable of extracting ourselves from the European Union is more of an argument for blowing up every national institution than it is letting Belgium run them.
Which is one approach, but a much more likely one would be to just leave things as they are, because if we can't do it at all, let alone properly, then what's the point?
Why have any elections at all in that case.
Can't you apply the same logic to pretty much anything the government turns it's hand to? What's the point in trying to change anything, ever? It's always a massive pain in the arse met with obstructiveness at every turn. Health, education, transport, leaving a trade bloc. Everything.
Politicians are rubbish is hardly a revelation, I remain unconvinced that there will be much of a difference should we leave.
You can't equate a bog standard election or running a national industry with this. The former are things that we do all the time and are just frigged at round the edges, this is much much bigger.
And I'm not saying we should do that, just that I think it's increasingly more likely to happen, particularly if there were a second vote.
How would everyone here vote if there was a second referendum? Would anyone change their mind?
Nope. Still remain
People will lose jobs in certain areas, but employment will increase in others. The currency will devalue, and prices will go up. But exporters will probably do better off the back of that.
It will be much of muchness. Some will be worse off, some better off.
Ultimately, we need to just get on with Leaving. There will be no deal whilst both sides are posturing, but after the fact it will dawn on the likes of France, that their biggest Wine buying market drying up - because they’ve lost their pricing advantage over California et al - is not worth their pride. Surrender monkeys.
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I’d still vote remain, but ultimately I’m really not that arsed.
The Chinese/Asians are big buyers of wine these days and the US.
There will of course be an impact, it's naive to think that it will just carry on the same.
The EU issue was always a proxy for a battle between 'those who do well out of the status quo' versus 'those being failed by the status quo' and that remains the case. The extremists on each side who actually care about the EU are in a very small minority.
The people who do well out of the status quo lost, which is very rare in democracy and is what makes Brexit such an upheaval.
Yeah it just means the middle class can get poorer and join the rest in the shit. While the wealthier get European residency.
Exactly. Those people have something to lose, so no wonder their knickers are in a twist. 'The rest' have nothing to lose, so why wouldn't you vote Leave?
I get it. It's just misplaced blame and the thought that Europe is the reason jobs and lack of wealth is due to the EU and not because the country has been mismanaged (unless you're in London).
Literally my only reason for voting remain is because I don’t want to need a visa when going on holiday. That’s the level of importance Brexit has to me.
My clever theory, speaking as something of a nutter on the issue, is that quite a lot of people think that supranationalism and open borders are stupid shit ideas, and that the only reason people weren't previously as arsed about it all as they are now is that they were consistently and shamelessly lied to about the nature of the European Union for decades.
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