Would you want to actually walk away from your child? Even if you didn't want the pregnancy, you did provide half of the output on the day and surely would feel some responsibility. On a human level.
Exactly half the output but currently one party has all the say in the matter. If a man's responsibility can be questioned without questioning the responsibility of a woman who can decide to terminate it completely, then we really are on a bad road.
You ask why would you want to walk away but you don't ask why you would want to get rid altogether?
I get that but once you know it's there, would you not want anything to do with your child?
Could men vote in that referendum?
I'm a twit
And that isn't to have a go, it's such a fine line one that I could easily see the first world having reached the opposite conclusion of where most of it has actually ended up.
It was a [shit] joke about referendum results.
You can't change the constitution of the country by only polling half of the electorate.
Women get to decide what they want to do with a pregnancy now anyway after the vote (once the legislation is drawn up), but men should now also be allowed to decide for themselves what they do with it too.
It does seem a bit odd. I have no issue with it really, it’s a woman’s issue really, but If they were voting to bring back military service would they only allow people under 16 to vote?
Its a tricky situation.
Lets get to the real question. Anybody in here been every had to go through the topic of discussion? I have, I'm ashamed to say and it burns me every time I think about it.
How so? I get that men are impacted - how could I not, I have a child and another on the way - but ultimately it is women who’s lives are put at risk with illegal abortions. Or women having to leave the country for treatment. Or women being force to carry a baby they don’t want only to have it immediately removed at birth. Pregnancy is not an easy thing, I dread to think what it’s like when you don’t want to be.
On the whole, it is a woman’s issue. Men deserve some say, sure, but we shouldn’t be able to refuse them the option when the potential impact of such a decision is almost all on them.
It was all unplanned. I've made it very clear I don't want any children or want to get married but she ended up pregnant. I still don't know how because at the time, we were still under protection. There was a discussion. I wasn't going to be there for the baby if she went through it. I made up my mind from the moment we found. I was and still am a coward and I'm afraid of the whole family thing.
We were together for a long time after the situation but I refused to talk about it which broke the relationship in the end. She did everything I ever asked her to do, and I refused to do anything any normal male is required to do in a relationship. I've got so much respect for the man that has a family and takes care of his. I'm just really selfish and cant bring me to do the whole family thing.
My views haven't changed since I was 16 and I'm damn near 30 now. All the people that I know have their little families, but they are unhappy. I like to think I've done the right thing as I'm much happier alone but think what if
Thanks. I think if the child isn't growing into a loving home, then you did the right thing.
If you read freakonomics, the author makes the argument that the thing that saw the largest drop in crime in NY was the change in law twenty years previously which allowed for abortion. It meant that those kids who would have been born into unloving, poor, crime ridden homes were never born and never fell into the life.
Not saying that last bit is about you btw.
Its all good.
Not just you chief. I've never been through it but I have no plans on having children for the same reason. You get some joy no doubt, but it's ridden with tiredness, financial woes and a restriction of what you do. It's a sacrifice I don't think I'll ever want to do.
Plus, most women don't want to sleep with me so it's really not that hard to enforce. /
Perverts in your postcode: Heat map reveals areas where Tayside and Fife’s 724 sex offenders live
Looking to make some friends outside of work?
Neither of those map points match up...
I think they're all housed in the Mecca bingo.
So, that anti-Kremlin Russian journalist shot and killed last week...… is alive. Apparently the whole thing was a ruse to expose Russian spies.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611
That's pretty mega, but won't Russia (and whoever else) just be able to claim a stitch-up now whenever they off somebody?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ermaine-greer/
“Rape is rarely violent and doesn’t merit a jail term, claims Germaine Greer”
I mean... you what mate?
And that’s still wrong. If your other half isn’t in the mood you don’t just stick it up her.
I get that not all rape is equal. A partner demanding, and taking sex without consent is probably not as bad as being dragged into the car of a sweaty stranger and being kept there, but to treat the former as more similar to Shop Lifting is bonkers.
The most ridiculous part of that entire diatribe is this:
Yeah, the first instinct of any four men upon finding a raped girl would be to have another go and then murder her. Jesus Christ, why does anyone still pay attention to this idiot?I was found wandering in the street very confused and rescued, thank God, because the people in the car were a man and a woman. If there had been four men in that car I don’t think you would have heard of me again.
Germaine Greer fascinates me.
She's clearly got a terminal case of "I'm old and I'll say what I like", but there's something endearing about her whether I agree or not.
There is obviously plenty of 'old person saying daft stuff,' but I do think her point has some merit and nuance to it.
There are two things there: One, that the definition of what constitutes rape has become more and more inclusive. At the same time, the view of just how bad rape (all rape!) is has moved further towards the 'worst possible thing that could ever happen' edge. Then there is the current trend of treating rape victims (and lets remember, most rape talk nowadays centers around campus and Hollywood) as 'survivors' who are too weak to even talk to the police and should be sheltered from the whole world, lest they get triggered and feel raped over and over. Traditional feminism was all about empowering women, and the current trend does the exact opposite, telling women they are too weak to deal with this shit and as such they need to be protected by the institutions they are part of. Meanwhile, actual vulnerable groups and their issues go on ignored. I'm sure you can see how an old feminist might think that is fucked up.