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    "We need to stop seeing depression and anxiety as an irrational pathology, or a weird misfiring of brain chemicals. They are terribly painful – but they make sense. Your pain is not an irrational spasm. It is a response to what is happening to you. To deal with depression, you need to deal with its underlying causes."

    A fantastic article. Well worth a read for anyone interested in mental health.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0ddb658c46a21

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    I thought about reading his book, but between loads of people roasting his statistics/understanding on Twitter, and remembering why he had to slunk off to write about depression in the first place (fuck him for letting Owen Jones take over), I decided to give it a miss.

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    Yeah I dunno if he's the best person to go to for a proper read on it, but the article itself is decent.

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    What About Me? The struggle for identity in a market-based society by Paul Verhaeghe is better than that fucking hack.

    How he's made his way back into journalism, I don't know.

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    I've never got past article-length versions of this general idea (that advertising and having to work for a living drives people mad), and they all strike me as wibble.

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    I can get on board with the idea that (a lot more of) today's advertising/working for a living eschews the idea of belonging. We all need to belong to something. That's the main reason people go into terrorism for starters.

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    How can you tell if you're depressed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    How can you tell if you're depressed?
    If you can't you're not. Most people that think they're depressed really aren't. They just need to get up off their holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    How can you tell if you're depressed?
    If you were to go see your GP about it, they'd probably give you something like this - https://www.nhs.uk/Tools/Pages/depression.aspx

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    Normally it would be stuff like hating your situation and taking it out on everyone around you, but in your case who knows.

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    If you have to ask...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    If you can't you're not. Most people that think they're depressed really aren't. They just need to get up off their holes.
    I've never really thought about it too much before having that same logic. I just feel like I'm treading the edge of a black hole and I can't escape, don't know how to or why I'm here. I have some idea it's massively catastrophised but that's just how I feel. Can't help it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    If you were to go see your GP about it, they'd probably give you something like this - https://www.nhs.uk/Tools/Pages/depression.aspx
    Impossible to fill out. I'm very conscious that depression is a serious mental illness like that in a scale of 1-10 how much does it hurt.

    I got 12/27 but am I answering it right I don't know. I'm just so demotivated, tired and lazy. I can't stop eating, I don't want to go anywhere and I only really care about work where everything is controlled and has a purpose. I can put my mask on and utterly excel. Just struggling with everything else.

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    We had a talk by Kellie malone (previously Keith I think, the boxing promoter) and Gareth Williams the former Wales rugby player about their struggles accepting who they were. Basically both of them hugely suicidal which was a bit harrowing to hear.

    Seems like a significant issue for those of that persuasion.

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    Just get yourself some tianeptine off the internet and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    I've never really thought about it too much before having that same logic. I just feel like I'm treading the edge of a black hole and I can't escape, don't know how to or why I'm here. I have some idea it's massively catastrophised but that's just how I feel. Can't help it.
    Just shake yourself up and get out and do something.

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    Can also check out David Burns' book, think it's called Feeling Good. Might help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Impossible to fill out.
    I got 12/27 but am I answering it right I don't know.
    Not sure what you mean here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    I'm just so demotivated, tired and lazy. I can't stop eating, I don't want to go anywhere and I only really care about work where everything is controlled and has a purpose. I can put my mask on and utterly excel. Just struggling with everything else.
    But this sounds like it, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Not sure what you mean here.


    But this sounds like it, yes.
    I don't want to overstate. The no motivation thing is killing me. I feel terrible within myself. I don't want to take my kid to parties or even school.

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    Go see your doctor. It might just be a temporary low but it's worth checking out.

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    Nobody wants to take their kids to parties.

    But yeah, you sound pretty depressed to me.

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    If only Hammer was still around.
    I'm a twit

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    I really don't want to be sick. I have no fight or stomach. I struggle with daily nerve and muscle pain in my butt and legs. I I know exactly how to fix it but I haven't. For nearly 18 months I've been in daily discomfort opting for that instead of a core strength/fitness program. What the fuck.

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    That’s probably linked to the depression though, and even more likely the treatment of one will be helpful in the treatment of the other.


    Get help with the depression, then you won’t lack the motivation to make lifestyle/fitness changes. Then, seeing and feeling the benefit of your lifestyle changes will help you start to feel better about yourself.

    Of course, I’m not depressed so that might all be utter bollocks. But there are definitely links between physical and mental health, and living with physical discomfort isn’t going to promote great mental health.

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    Yeah it very much sounds like you're depressed.

    Join the sertraline gang, lad.

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    I defected from the sertraline gang to fluoxetine.

    The bantz are so much better.

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    Fluoxetine gang is full of gimps, magic. Don't listen to him.

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    All the cool kids are buying fake Xanax on the Dark Web.

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    Have either of you been on citalopram? It was the first thing I was prescribed when I went to my GP in about 2011. Seems to have fallen out of favour (or perhaps NHS budget), but by all accounts seems to be the least shit of that family.

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    Nah I've only been on sertraline. It's first choice, especially in young people, from what I remember and it's always worked well for me so not had to try anything else.

    I don't get any particularly bothersome side effects either so all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    I really don't want to be sick. I have no fight or stomach. I struggle with daily nerve and muscle pain in my butt and legs. I I know exactly how to fix it but I haven't. For nearly 18 months I've been in daily discomfort opting for that instead of a core strength/fitness program. What the fuck.

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    Bam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dino View Post
    Have either of you been on citalopram? It was the first thing I was prescribed when I went to my GP in about 2011. Seems to have fallen out of favour (or perhaps NHS budget), but by all accounts seems to be the least shit of that family.
    That was the first thing I was put on and it was the one that worked the best for the longest and then it just stopped.

    I think I've been on about 5 or 6 of them across the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dino View Post
    Have either of you been on citalopram? It was the first thing I was prescribed when I went to my GP in about 2011. Seems to have fallen out of favour (or perhaps NHS budget), but by all accounts seems to be the least shit of that family.
    Had it for a short while about five years ago and it seemed to help a bit. Had it again about three years ago and it didn't seem to help at all. Got switched to sertraline then and been on it since. It seems to help.

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    lots of love to you MJ you massive weirdo. x

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    What is the national average %age wise for depression? I feel like we’re over represented.

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    Get the pains sorted out by a real doctor. Job done.

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    Yeah go the doctor. Don’t ask us lot, we’re a bunch of idiots.

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    Jesus Christ the pillage is giving me huge anxiety. I don't really take pills, the thought of taking stuff that may or may not 'alter' my mood gives me the absolute creeps. That along with any potential side effects.

    My step-mum was on AD's for ages and it fucked her up (more than originally I don't know).

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    Mirtazapine is the absolute bomb lads get on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Jesus Christ the pillage is giving me huge anxiety. I don't really take pills, the thought of taking stuff that may or may not 'alter' my mood gives me the absolute creeps. That along with any potential side effects.

    My step-mum was on AD's for ages and it fucked her up (more than originally I don't know).
    I've never understood that position. If it makes you feel a way you don't like, you just stop taking it.

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    Tried Citalopram, Venlafaxine, and a couple others, they all fucked me up

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    I've never understood that position. If it makes you feel a way you don't like, you just stop taking it.
    Anti-depressants take 2-4 weeks to even settle in your system, you don't take one = sorted

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    I've never understood that position. If it makes you feel a way you don't like, you just stop taking it.
    I never said she concurred with my opinion. That's what frightens me. Not that I have great levels of self awareness now, which frightens me more.

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    How does it help you guys? And what would you be like off it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    How does it help you guys? And what would you be like off it?

    Personally it helps me sleep, helps me be me, I'm pretty much even mood wise (despite some side effects of sweating sometimes). Without it I wouldn't go out, wouldn't do anything, would lose my job, would have suicidal thoughts, so its worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soldier View Post
    Personally it helps me sleep, helps me be me, I'm pretty much even mood wise (despite some side effects of sweating sometimes). Without it I wouldn't go out, wouldn't do anything, would lose my job, would have suicidal thoughts, so its worth it.
    See this is what I meant Boydy earlier when I said I didn't want to overstate how I am feeling because it isn't anywhere near what DS experiences. Maybe being a dad and married kind of forces me to go and work but I don't do much else that being said. I don't have any friends really outside work, I don't go to any groups/sports, it's just nothing. And I hate it. But I have absolutely no desire to change it. The idea is nice, but fuck no.

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    I am embarrassed to admit though I did jump in my car this afternoon and was going to drive to some nearby cliffs for a walk. I had the nouse to not do that and parked up by a cycle path that goes along a beach and walked along that instead. For the whole walk I thought nothing. I forwarded my mobile to my office's main number and turned off my phone. I don't know what I was thinking really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soldier View Post
    Anti-depressants take 2-4 weeks to even settle in your system, you don't take one = sorted
    Yes I know. But people act like once they start, they are stuck on them even if they make them feel terrible. Which isn't true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    How does it help you guys? And what would you be like off it?
    It stops me being incredibly down and suicidal. I don't think I ever would have gone through with killing myself because I couldn't bear the thought of what it would do to the people who care about me, but I really wanted to.

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