You know I'm not serious, right? It's probably important to highlight that now, before there's a pile in.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
You know I'm not serious, right? It's probably important to highlight that now, before there's a pile in.
There's no boundary to your arrogance and distorted world views so I'm glad you clarified that.Originally Posted by GS
This is great. We're apparently going to give people a pay increase by taxing them more to pay for it. A two percent pay increase and probably a two pence in the pound increase in income tax to pay for it. Well done, everyone.
Jess Phillips there, failing to understand how statutory instruments work. Just an elected official not understanding how parliament works.
You're at least going to have to give some context...
It's probably something to the effect that the repeal bill thing gives ministers power(s) to derogate from/scrap aspects of EU law without consulting parliament, but the way they are supposed to do it is via SI which can be debated (although often aren't), so it's a bit of a false argument.
They'll do it via SI, which requires explicit (affirmative) or implicit (negative) consent of parliament. Ergo nothing will be left on the statute books without consent of parliament.
There's a certain irony in pro-EU types complaining about it as well.
To be fair, this is the MP who wrote a letter about the Ched Evans case complaining that a particular Act didn't 'intend' something, as if the vague and open to interpretation 'intention' should trump what the legislation actually says. So maybe we shouldn't be surprised.
Aye. Entirely lost on them though.
I've particularly been enjoying the 'we shouldn't leave the EU because it's too complicated/difficult/costly to do so' argument of late. That's literally the best argument for leaving.
There was a piece in I think, The Spectator that said that this should have been a leave campaign point but everyone involved was too cowardly to explain how difficult the process is which is why they all look like complete berks now.
Nonsense. By that logic, Scotland (and Wales and Cornwall and everyone else who fancies it) should leave the UK and we know you're against that.
The UK isn't rubbish though.
Have you seen the last couple of years?
That's a different argument though, isn't it?
Well, that's stupid.
It is stupid. Hence "by that logic".
For this to happen things would have to proceed using different logic. You really must stop being a colossal idiot in order to oppose the points you disagree with. There are legitimate arguments against what Floyd said there, there's no reason to be thick.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who struggled with the jump from untangling a supranational trade body run wild to the dissolution of all states into locally autonomous areas.
Floyd's point was stupid, and my objection holds. That something is horrendously difficult is no reason in itself to do it. To that end, I gave an example of something else that would be horrendously difficult to do which we (or most of us) agree shouldn't be done.
I am, for the record, not in favour of the government backtracking on the decision to leave, given how undemocratic that would be. But there must be more effort to minimise the very nasty side effects of leaving and that includes not taking such a dogmatic and confrontational stance.
I think his point is that the complexity demonstrates the level of 'infiltration' (for lack of a better word) of the EU into such a vast range of legislation and national life. What was originally sold as a trade partnership is now a huge supranational organisation claiming competence over vast tracts of domestic law.
It's a perfectly serviceable riposte to pro EU types by highlighting that level of infiltration and thus the undemocratic behemoth it's become. That it's not simply a question of trade, but rather it has subsumed significantly more areas of domestic law which Joe Public probably doesn't even know about.
'Side effects' can be mitigated through a transition period, but there's no question we should be out of the central bodies and jurisdictions that membership entails.
It's not so much that it is the best argument for leaving, it's that the same dickheads now making it spent years telling us that it barely did anything.
I'd say Peak Wanker was hit when some of them complained it was so complicated that we couldn't justify the effort, and then within a week of the result complained there was no plan.
I'll genuinely never understand the vehement pro EU sentiment. It's batshit.
You're not a Citizen of the World like them.
'The Scottish Government', an ostensibly official Facebook page, has released another video to add to their 'never rape' wall of shame. It's about how you should react if you move to shake the hand of someone you know but have never met and it turns out their right arm is missing from the elbow. A hard hitting, socially relevant work.
That's a one up on the old 'grab the fist pump?' dilemma.
While looking for that on YouTube, I've discovered that there's also a video from the same source telling you that it's okay to offer help making tea to a struggling woman in a wheelchair.
What the fuck are we doing?
Fucking hell.
Is that not deeply patronising to everybody concerned?
Get Past The Awkward...rape!
@Sir Andy Mahowry
These supposed 'moderates' really are fucking useless, aren't they.
'Shadow Digital Minister' is very obviously a username from the dawn of online gaming.
Is anyone sticking to the no, he's still shit position on Jez or are they all just sucking it up now?
Brexit will break them, as it has already broken the Tories. I saw a stat about every Tory PM since Heath being killed by Europe and it's true.
Apparently only two of them didn't give him a standing ovation for losing even more badly than Gordon Brown did in the first PLP meeting after the election. Apparently things like his Marxism and terrorist sympathising can be quietly swept under the carpet if it's convenient. On a similar note, Dan Hannan is going BERSERK at the country putting up a statue of Engels. Which is probably fair enough.
On Brexit, it's going to rip them both apart - the Tories because they've never been able to agree on it anyway (as you say, they've all shafted themselves on Europe in some guise) and Labour because there's simply no way they keep the immigrant bashers in the north and the Citizens of the World (copyright, Robert Peston) in the south happy at the same time. They're going to royally fuck one of them off. They've already been letting the students down gently on tuition fees, so you can only hope there's some sort of RECKONING with the electorate as per the Lib Dems.
Are those videos not useful? It's not like they'll have spent a tonne of money of them, unless they've been really silly.
They're patronising.
In other news, the Poles are currently in the process of trying to destroy judicial independence and intimidate dissenting politicians.
Phonics dream job.
Yeah, love regulating the internet me.
Speaking of which, who do these cunts think they are?
The ASA is useless because it's not like they review stuff before it goes up, they just draw up guidelines that if someone complains and they find you've broken one, they axe it. So you've spent thousands making a campaign only for some berk in an office to tell you 'Thats bad now'.
Yes, but at least they're there to protect us from gendered adverts.
The funny thing about it is, it's actually done for MRA's but they'll be the biggest complainers about it because the word 'gender' is in there.
Shadow, mate. You aren't ambitious enough to actually do it, but just annoy and undermine the person that does.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...m-wage-family/
Coming back to the point again that one must look at cash flow and net income to understand what's actually happening, not just headline figures and gross amounts (same as public sector pay).
I can't imagine £350 a week rents you a whole lot of house in THAT LONDON.
Perhaps, but it's not really integral to my point which is that people looking at headline gross figures and deciding that's the only thing that matters are morons.
Lol at that shit.
Wait I thought this was the memes thread.
Depends where you want to live. £350 actually could net you something decent.
In London? No it fucking couldn't.
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