I'm not sure who he's even arguing with at this point so I'm going for a cigarette. I'll probably come back to find out he's had another breakdown. C'est la vie.
I'm not sure who he's even arguing with at this point so I'm going for a cigarette. I'll probably come back to find out he's had another breakdown. C'est la vie.
That would be June 5th in Orlando, Florida as stated earlier in the thread.Originally Posted by bruhnaldo
Ya i didn't think so.
I don't see where anybody has professed to being a genius.
if 6 people is a "mass" in a country of 350 million people I mean idk what to tell you
talk about moving goal posts yet you're stuck on this irrelevant bullshit
Well it's SOOOO simple? I don't understand? Everyone can talk down to others but magically they don't have the fucking answers.
I'll wait.
I just think you don't like being pulled up on your shit.
If arguing over whether 5, 6, or 7 deaths is a "mass shooting" is me being "pulled up on my shit" as opposed to me asking all of the people who constantly talk shit about my country for a legitimate answer as to how they would employ this "oh so simple" solution then by all means, enjoy.
"Leave America Alone!"
Ya'll can spend all day telling me how I'm dumb and I ain't shit but if only you'd spend that time coming up with these simple ass solutions maybe you'd do some great for the world.
I'll be patiently waiting for your fault-proof plan.
Nobody has said ' you ain't shit'.
Let's not.
You don't have to know how to fix a problem to acknowledge that there is one. The incredible thing to us outsiders isn't that your country hasn't yet fixed gun violence, it's that there isn't a top down acknowledgement that there's even a problem with guns, let alone a concerted effort to improve the issue.
Your reaction here actually speaks quite a lot to why that's the case. The moment someone mentions gun legislation to a certain section of America you get an incredible dose of fuckwit flavoured screeching and if you don't have a full solution immediately ready to go which fixes the problem, complies with a two hundred year old parchment, and mollifies the hooting bellend in front of you then tough luck, YOU LOSE, and there's a smug whopper to deal with.
A good start would be to make full background checks mandatory for all guns and in all states, so a mentally ill headbanger can't just pick up a rifle from his local shop on ten minutes notice. You'd probably cut out a few deaths just through letting people cool down for the fortnight waiting period too.
You're all acting like I'm okay with my fellow citizens getting murked every other day.
The point is it's not as simple as your cheesy little banter makes it out to be. I was having a perfectly level-headed discussion until this dickhead from Leeds decided to turn it up a notch.
Since we can't have respectable discussion this is what we'll have. I'm literally begging you all to bless my country with your knowledge as to save the lives of my fellow countrymen.
There's certainly a gun problem in this country. Sitting around pretentiously talking down to people because there aren't no easy solutions is, ironically, also not a solution to it.
You don't have to know how to fix a problem to acknowledge that there is one. The incredible thing to us outsiders isn't that your country hasn't yet fixed gun violence, it's that there isn't a top down acknowledgement that there's even a problem with guns, let alone a concerted effort to improve the issue.
Your reaction here actually speaks quite a lot to why that's the case. The moment someone mentions gun legislation to a certain section of America you get an incredible dose of fuckwit flavoured screeching and if you don't have a full solution immediately ready to go which fixes the problem, complies with a two hundred year old parchment, and mollifies the hooting bellend in front of you then tough luck, YOU LOSE, and there's a smug whopper to deal with.
That's all I was trying to say.
1) Crazy people will always do crazy shit. If you take away the guns, they'll mimic other shit they've seen.
2) Getting law-abiding citizens to turn in their guns is one thing, getting known criminals to do so is another, getting "underground" gun runners to stop running guns to gangs and whoever the fuck else is an entirely other.
3, 4, 5, 6, people getting shot over stupid shit is not something I want for my country.... but completely ignoring the points above to bang on about these incidents happening "bi-weekly", instead of acknowledging that yes, the people who want to hurt people will always find ways to do so, is a red herring at best.
You ban all guns. Granted it will take time but it will stop people who are fucked off at there boss etc,nipping to a shop and going in and shooting them.
Absolutely this. Brilliant post.
You don't have to know how to fix a problem to acknowledge that there is one. The incredible thing to us outsiders isn't that your country hasn't yet fixed gun violence, it's that there isn't a top down acknowledgement that there's even a problem with guns, let alone a concerted effort to improve the issue.
Your reaction here actually speaks quite a lot to why that's the case. The moment someone mentions gun legislation to a certain section of America you get an incredible dose of fuckwit flavoured screeching and if you don't have a full solution immediately ready to go which fixes the problem, complies with a two hundred year old parchment, and mollifies the hooting bellend in front of you then tough luck, YOU LOSE, and there's a smug whopper to deal with.
A good start would be to make full background checks mandatory for all guns and in all states, so a mentally ill headbanger can't just pick up a rifle from his local shop on ten minutes notice. You'd probably cut out a few deaths just through letting people cool down for the fortnight waiting period too.
There are probably more guns in this country than there are people. This is not a viable solution.
The law-abiding citizens of this country aren't going to want to turn their guns in. You can't have police raids to take away "suspected" guns from "suspected" gun-owners.
I don't understand why you won't get passed the very first part and see how insane your "plan" is to actually attempt to implement.
Turned it up a notch. Fucking lol.
There is a waiting period for some guns in a lot of places and it surely has done a lot to let people calm down in these instances of rage.
That doesn't solve the problem of illegal gun purchases, but it's surely a step in the right direction.
Going from reasonable discourse to "you stupid American cunt" when you provided no real solution is "turning it up a notch" to me. Sorry my idioms aren't in line with yours I guess.
This is going to be a battle of the intellectual heavyweights.
This saying gets used to often around here but you're on the ropes. When can we expect to see you leave for the 50th time?. Anyway, I was of course drunk when I posted that so more fool you for even taking the time to acknowledge it.
No battle here, I'm more than happy to have a reasonable conversation about the solutions.
Soon enough, trust.
I'll say it again then. A good start would be to make full background checks mandatory for all guns and in all states, so a mentally ill headbanger can't just pick up a rifle from his local shop on ten minutes notice. You'd probably cut out a few deaths just through letting people cool down for the fortnight waiting period too.
That people will always find a way to hurt eachother isn't a reason not to at least try to take away one of the most simple and effective ways of doing so, particularly since it's something with no use other than to hurt people. We'll not be so silly as to pretend Tyler is hunting elk with his handgun, so spare me that kernel of bullshit at least.
Just to pop back to this for a second. The official definition of a 'mass shooting' is four or more people shot in a single incident. Not killed, just shot. So there is no argument over that point, and six people is 'mass'. If you define it otherwise, you're wrong.if 6 people is a "mass" in a country of 350 million people I mean idk what to tell you
Quality meltdown.
I initially responded before you added the last part, I did go back and respond to it though.
I appreciate you having a real discussion, though. I agree with your point, though. There should be something done to eliminate one of the easiest ways people hurt each other.
I just don't see how it could be done. Like I've said several times, there's not just the law-abiding citizens who we have to worry about.
I realize you guys went through this same shit in 1996 or whenever it was when that loony shot up that school. You enacted a gun ban and it has worked very well in the sense that gun violence is probably irrelevant.
At the same time, "violent crime" has also apparently spiked. Now, I'm not saying it's better to be shot than stabbed or vice versa, but there's always unintended consequences that come from these types of things.
Would I like to live in a world where gun violence doesn't exist? Of course! Hell, the grocery store right by my house had a shooting inside of it a few months back. It was gang related bullshit, but stray bullets have killed tons of people too!
It's all fucked up and I don't know how we truly fix it.
There's just so many guns. If even 80% of the population said "fine, here are my weapons Mr. Government. Thank you!" that still leaves millions of guns on the streets.
I'm not saying what you're suggesting isn't a bad practice, in theory it would be great, I just don't think it's practical to expect the cooperation necessary to make something like that work.
Though again, the background checks business, hey man, I have no problem with that whatsoever. I certainly agree it shouldn't be so easy to just walk in, grab a gun, and walk out. Now, like I mentioned previous, there are many cases where you buy a gun, have to wait a period of time, and then get it, but it's hardly nationwide and/or for every gun.
Things that fuck me off: The term 'law-abiding citizen.'
I live in University City. It could have been me. Really makes you think.A guy opened fire at sitting congress members last week...
There's actually been 14 mass shootings in the last 10 days. Only 2 in Chicago (although I guess you can throw the St. Louis one in if you really want)
Well what term should I use so you can focus on the point, Pepe? I really don't know how else to describe one who would follow the law simply because it is the law.
James Holmes was a 'law abiding citizen' until that night.
If guns were banned, by definition you could only be a 'law abiding citizen' if you turned in all of your guns.
Exactly?
As for your 'it's hard' argument:
1. No shit, of course it is.
2. I said the exact same thing a page or two ago, before your meltdown.
Phonics can you bully him off the board again please.
Yet another moron american who won't accept anything less than a gun strategy that offers total overnight success without annoying anyone and also can't think logically for two seconds in a row.
So you agree with me. Awesome.
I'm sorry that when people say stupid shit to me I respond right back to them. I will "meltdown" every time, I don't give a fuck.
No one except John has provided any strategy whatsoever but keep up the fine work, dipshit.
Do keep on. It is entertaining.
I like how a "meltdown" is basically defending yourself from some dickhead calling you a stupid cunt without actually providing anything remotely insightful to the discussion.
I also like how "bullying off the board" is me choosing not to post here because I called Marine Le Pen's niece her daughter and some asshole changed a thread title to "Bruhnaldo's incompetence" over such a simple mistake.
As if I should just be fine with either instance.
It's not our place to know how to fix it, that's down to the legislators and LAW ENFORCEMENT, SIR. And you have said that several times, despite it being a complete non point in the first place. We're talking about gun violence, do you think we're all so stupid as to think the problem is those who aren't shooting people?
It took one headbanger to shoot up a school and we decided, as a nation, that guns were for the bin. That's why we look at a nation with several school shootings a year and wonder why it isn't doing anything at all, let alone putting up a united front on the issue.
Background checks are the only thing I've suggested, so I'm not sure what it is you think I'm expecting impractical cooperation for.
Going tonto over that thread title was you being unable to take a joke and flouncing off. That was a genuine meltdown. I changed the thread title, by the way.
Thank you for having a reasonable discussion regardless of how stupid you may feel my points are.
There was one a couple of months ago, and I definitely remember another one in a community college or somesuch much more recently than Sandy Hook. And those are just the ones we hear about on our little island.
Bruh, you might enjoy this:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06...te-opens-fire/
I didn't mean "small island" as an offense. I'm just saying it's a more densely populated area where these types of measures can be better regulated and enforced.
Though I guess one could counter by saying these types of incidents generally occur in densely populated areas and there's no real need to worry about Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, the midwest in general, where houses are miles apart with dozens of rifles between them.
Stop being so prescious and just be thankful I didn't call you a fat stupid cunt.
You did indeed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/u...y-college.html
Ten dead, less than two years ago.
Haven't read yet but the police in this country is also a huge problem. We honestly have so much shit going on here it's unbelievable
It's not the words that bother me it's the idea that you think you're so above reasonable discussion that you have to resort to this childish bullshit instead of continuing the level-headed tone we'd been talking in. We were at a 3 and you took it to a 10 just because you're an anonymous dickhead on the internet who can get away with it.
You being drunk or not doesn't really matter to me. I was being respectful and then you took it to that level without offering anything to the discussion to give you the right to be so crass.
I don't have to put up with that shit and I won't. Call it a meltdown if you want. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Fair enough but also not exactly "several a year" either I'd contend.
Do you want me to say sorry, babes.
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