Yeah well unless all the conservatives and Leavers have had a damascene conversion in the face of Corbyn's charisma, I'm not sure they've succeeded.Originally Posted by Reg
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
Yeah well unless all the conservatives and Leavers have had a damascene conversion in the face of Corbyn's charisma, I'm not sure they've succeeded.
Or maybe they've had nothing to cheer.
If Farage was here he would be smashing this terrorism question. Even Paul Nuttall has had a reasonable go at it. The others are all completely pathetic and wet.
Nuttall's answer on that has been the best so far and he's a complete tool.
Why the rest of the panel felt the need to reiterate that the act in Manchester was abhorrent was quite telling as well. Bad you say? No fucking shit sherlock.
Nigel Farage bailing when he did was probably the smartest thing anyone has ever done.
I wonder how long Jo Cox will be used as a card in terrorism top trumps.
Everyone apart from Nuttall said the same thing there - all communities, all faiths, terrorism has nothing to do with Islam, families of those victims, the people of Manchester.
Vile cowardice from the lot of them.
Muesli? You're so out of touch, Tim. It's quinoa these days.
I find it weird that you lot hear 'nothing to do with Islam' when people say there are various sorts of terrorism and demonising an entire community (who reported that cunt in Manchester) because of a few nutters maybe isn't a great idea.
Probably until her husband has paid their houseboat off.
You don't have to demonise an entire community, you just have to actually tackle the issue and be honest about what is happening, rather than trotting out cosy platitudes about what is not.
You mean like conducting an investigation into who funds extremist groups in the UK?
Oh.
What the fuck sort of question is that? Does this twat think he's on the Apprentice?
That's absolutely one of the things we need to be honest about, yes. That it took Paul fucking Nuttall to hit that head on first was a joke.
Yes, like that, and many other things. I'm not a Tory spinner.
They got so close on the Saudi thing and then the Welsh woman got asked a question, in the name of balance, instead of the sitting Government.
Corbyn unelectable? Tell that to the electorate.
Theresa May (who has won this comfortably) seems to elicit an awful lot of personal SEETHE. More so than David Cameron. Alright, the SEETHE is drawn mainly from losers with 'blocked by Iain Dale' in their Twitter biographies as testament to their entire existence, but it seems to be getting worse by the week. This is probably what it was like in the eighties.
It's because she's the vicar's daughter and bats for provincials. Cameron, whilst a Tory, batted for liberal minds.
"Our single policy has been fulfilled ... and we didn't even need to be in power."
<Farage returns to home planet of Brussels> The Lib Dems seem to think they have some momentum up here. They gained 20 council seats but it's still a Labour hold, you silly sods.
I didn't bother watching it. What's the view on performance so that some of us can feign surprise when it makes no difference whatever.
Corbyn did well I thought, not that it'll make any difference.
Corbyn was the best by far, the others just descended into a ridiculous catfight. Farron and Rudd probably the worst performers.
May will have done better out than in, as they say.
The problem Wor Jez has with even turning up is that he has a load of also-rans / second raters standing around beside him. Unless he's absolutely smashed it, he doesn't win out of looking like he's in the same league. Sturgeon / May are the only other two who would be recognised (most people don't even know who Tim Farron is, for fuck sake, never mind Nuttall, Wood, or Lucas).
I think ultimately anyone who's engaged enough in politics to bother watching that will already have decided who they're going to vote for.
I know research suggests otherwise (a third undecided, is it?) but I don't believe that.
Undecided is not quite the same as non-voting. Still, there's minds to play for.
This is the best reason for May not taking part, it would automatically elevate all these other chumps.
These broadcasters are absolutely fucking seething that Theresa May a) didn't turn up and b) won't do a proper debate with Corbyn. They're being denied NARRATIVE and HYPE, and that simply can't be permitted.
I usually love a bit of media bashing, but in this instance they're being denied democratic process.
Can I display my shock that GS has logged on as soon as the debate finished and immediately started acting like he's in the spin room.
Amber Rudd's da died on Monday night apparently.
Having a staged slanging match on telly isn't democracy.
They're really not.
May has done an Andrew Neil interview, an audience/Paxman interrogation and another QT special on Friday. It's a far more productive way of 'shaking the apples from the tree' than any form of multi-person 'debate'. It just descends into crap soundbites and shouting at people. Half an hour with Andrew Neil gently roasting a politician over a fire is much better.
These debates are American imports for a presidential system, and they're fucking dreadful. They need killed off, but the media will never, ever get over their obsession with the HEAD TO HEAD.
Did enjoy the sheer amount of contempt through laughter in the audience I must admit.
If I was in the spin room, I'd be constantly citing Jez's IRA support to broaden the message.
I listened on the radio driving home. Thought Corbz was good, Rudd was a bit hapless really they all ganged up on her, Nuttal needs putting down, that Angus cunt is a smarmy nat fucker, Lucas is good but she knows she'll never really have any power so can speak with utter conviction.
Overriding theme though is -10 for May. She really is a clusterfuck. Every time she opens her weird mouth she loses votes and indeed when she doesn't.
Horrible bitch who is going to produce a mighty fine upset from a devastating Tory whitewash to a hung parliament or perhaps, if she keeps going at this rate, a majority labour government.
Edit: also Farron is really weird though isn't he. Lol at the boring Welsh cunt. Fuck off you little England sheep shaggers.
If you think that particular debating style is worthwhile or not, it should be all or nothing. May, Sturgeon and the BBC are all accountable and the reasons for Maybot's no show are unscrupulous.
I hear the local food bank does those, only its quite busy right now...
May is too busy doing brexit to do this.
The best part of any election for me is watching Twitter doggedly repeat its mistakes from every previous election and referendum.
'She's toast now!'
That depends on who you follow, you need to stop classing it as a single entity.
The single entity is way younger/more liberal/more urban/more educated than the general population and therefore groupthinks itself into completely misjudging the mood every fucking time, even when it's consciously trying not to.
I don't follow Scottish people obviously because they're irrelevant.
That was a great line. Bit silly of her to call an election then.
Labour are +12 over the Tories on Twitter, apparently, which is why they all think the TIDE IS TURNING constantly.
I'd agree with BREXIT. Any other examples? Trump was called in an 'FFS' way so can't use that.
I don't care about Trump/America although they got that wrong as well.
Twitter opinion has lost pretty much every election and referendum since it started, with the exception of anything involving Zac Goldsmith.
Three points in if according to another poll today!
May out here, connecting with real voters
Very clear, that.
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