I can't imagine too many people have ever been influenced by the hand-wringing sneering of Guardian columnists.
I can't imagine too many people have ever been influenced by the hand-wringing sneering of Guardian columnists.
Mate, they have Costa Coffee in Stoke.
They'll be frequented almost exclusively by Remain voters.
The content/tone of the political debate (at least between the main parties) was rather more Guardian-centric over the past twenty years than the size of its readership ought to have merited. The whole Conservative 'modernisation' was basically an attempt to get them on side, and for fucking what? It's all in the bin now.Originally Posted by GS
Where do Leave voters buy their coffee and shortbread?
Wherever does those fried breakfast challenges.
It's certainly true that the Notting Hill Wankers were desperate for their approval, but I suspect that sort of time wasting barely scratches the surface for your average voter. It's not as if they looked at David Cameron and thought anything other than he "well, he's demonstrably better than that other cunt."
Gritty British cafés where ashtrays are still left on tables and the staff make no pretence that you're an annoyance.
You voted leave and if you went into a cafe like that you'd be getting the packet of baby wipes you keep in your manbag out to wipe down the table.
I was going to lol at the idea that they still go to HMV to buy albums in your mind too, but I saw a poster advertising a new HMV location earlier so there might be some truth in that.
They don't write for the average voter. They write for people like them to define the parameters of 'acceptable' opinion. Once politicians and policy-makers (who are people like them) start ignoring those then what have they got?
I voted leave on constitutional issues, not because I fancy booting all the non-Brits out of the country by tomorrow lunchtime. That said, it was all a means to an end wasn't it so fuck it.
Their historic mistake was misreading what the Blair landslides were about. They thought it was the national embracing of Modern British Values and the rest of their wank. It was actually a reflection of which party offered the most competent government at the time, as it always is.
The lingering effects Year Zero naturally infests all of this. Commentators and affiliated wankers mis-read all of that, figure that the Third Way is the only way, cut their cloth and build their careers accordingly, and then sit there not knowing what to do when it turns out that most people aren't (as Rod Liddle put it the other day) 'wood-burning stove people'.
Another class bit from All Out War (this is about 10 days out from the vote):
Imagine being way more out of touch than Peter Mandelson.Mandelson raised the idea of a migration fund. 'I think you need to listen to what hard-nosed Labour voters in Hartlepool are saying,' he said now.
Oliver snapped back, 'I don't need to listen to them. I watch the news and read the focus groups. I know what people think.'
I don't understand the 'migrant fund' people. Wouldn't it, and especially any increases in it, just be taken as an admission of failure across the board? It seems to be some perfect pinko circle jerk of thinking that more Doctors 'n' Nurses solves everything, and that people only think about their [non-existent] 'communities'.
Jeremy seems to be having another meltdown. God Save the Queen.
In fact, I think there's a real case to be made that Seumas Milne is a deep-embedded Tory agent.
Are these the "Jeremy to quit" rumours? You'd almost feel sorry for him, until you remember the whole condoning of terrorism thing.
Theresa May complaining about alternative facts now. What a useless twat,
What's this stuff about Corbyn?
And what did May say?
If Jezza goes, only to be replaced by some other useless gimp, it puts the 'moderates' in a lol position. If they work for the new idiot then they will just look like they stitched Jezza up (which they did, but they at least have plausible deniability at the moment), and if they continue to refuse to work with anybody other than wankers like them then they might as well give up.
Jezza.
Here's the story from AP
Jeremy Corbyn has accused the government of arranging a “sweetheart deal” with a Tory-led council to stop a controversial council tax referendum, the Press Association reports,
The Labour leader questioned how much the government had offered to Surrey county council to “kill this off” and pressed Theresa May to explain if the same deal would be available to every local authority facing the “social care crisis”.
The prime minister claimed Corbyn was using “alternative facts”.
Surrey has abandoned its plans for a 15% hike in council tax to address the crisis in social care funding, adding it will instead “take a risk” that ministers will find a solution.
Labour MPs could be heard shouting “we want to hear more about Surrey” as May struggled to answer Corbyn’s questions.
Surrey council leader David Hodge said on Tuesday that he would instead seek a 4.99% rise in council tax although warned that unless there was progress on funding the situation would become “untenable and intolerable”.
The planned 15% rise risked embarrassing health secretary Jeremy Hunt and chancellor Philip Hammond, who both have constituencies in Surrey.
Corbyn, speaking during prime minister’s Questions, raised problems affecting health services in Liverpool and the difficulties for officials in meeting the government.
He questioned May if a “special deal” was done for Surrey before telling MPs he had seen “leaked copies of texts” sent by Hodge “intended for somebody called Nick” who works for ministers in the Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG). Corbyn said:These texts read, ‘I’m advised that DCLG officials have been working on a solution and you will be contacting me to agree a memorandum of understanding’.
Will the government now publish this memorandum of understanding and, while they’re about it, will all councils be offered the same deal?May replied:What we have given all councils is the opportunity to raise a 3% precept on the council tax for that to go into social care.
What the Labour party fails to understand is that this is not just a question of looking at money, it is a question of looking at spreading best practice and finding a sustainable solution.Corbyn went on to describe a second text message. He said:I wonder if it’s anything to do with the fact that the chancellor and health secretary both represent Surrey constituencies.
But there was a second text from the Surrey county council leader to Nick - and in the second text it says ‘The numbers you indicated are the numbers I understand are acceptable for me to accept and call off the R’.May said she had made clear to Corbyn that every council has the opportunity to raise the precept.
Now, I’ve been reading a bit of John le Carre and apparently R means referendum.
It’s very subtle all this.
He goes on to say in his text to Nick ‘If it is possible that info to be sent to myself I can then revert back soonest, really want to kill this off’.
So how much did the government offer Surrey to kill this off and is the same sweetheart deal on offer to every council facing the social care crisis created by [May’s government?
Speaker John Bercow intervened as he was again forced to calm MPs in the chamber.
May then said of Corbyn: He comes to the despatch box making all sorts of claims. Yet again what we get from Labour is alternative facts; what they really need is an alternative leader.
When Corbyns good, he's bloody brilliant. Shame he's inconsistent really.
No, he isn't. Even when he makes a rare sensible point, it's impossible to take him seriously because his delivery is agitated, shouty, and everybody knows he doesn't have it in him to drive a point home to its logical conclusion.
I was looking forward to the 15% referendum, it would have gone down in flames and the council leader would have had to resign, hence him doing a typically corrupt deal.
A good start on the funding front would be for them to stop producing their glossy absolute cunt of a propaganda magazine that comes through every door whether we ask for it or not.
There must be infinite scope to take the piss with council taxes in Surrey. Just threaten them with a load of centrally-planned 'affordable homes' being built.
The requirement to build x percent of 'affordable homes' per unaffordable block of flats basically saves us from having the whole place concreted over, and also makes developers cry salt tears because Surrey councillors are probably the easiest people to bung in the world.
In fact, half the local Tories are raving lefties who just go under the Conservative badge because they're not getting elected onto the gravy train otherwise (a bit like it used to be with Labour in Scotland).
I saw some picture the other day showing where all of the unaffordable housing is, and all it does is prove why they will never do anything about it. It's probably better to just give it twenty years and hope that companies move upwards and outwards (unlucky, teachers and that in London).
You'd hope that Brexit equalises the competitiveness of the country somewhat, but there are probably bigger forces at play now that will keep London on top.
The European Union? I've shit 'em.
What a world it is where Clive Lewis resigning is big news.
Why isn't the pound plummeting?! Was my panic Euro buy mistimed?
lol
Jezza's tweet of 'The real fight starts now' is fucking top, top trolling. You have to hand it to the man. One of the champions of Brexit.
Wee Jimmy Krankie was OUTRAGED by it. The SNP mob singing Ode to Joy has to be one of the more pathetic spectacles the house has witnessed in the last 750 years.
Dimbleby just kicked the arse of Owen Smith for bleating about the NHS needing more money and the Tories depriving it of it.
Come to think of it, I've never heard Labour MP's ever offer anything other than chucking more money at it.
Would you rather polio came back? Is that it?
What did Dimbleby say?
I've noticed there's a negative story about the NHS in the news nearly every day at the minute. They're really working on softening us up for the privatisation, aren't they?
I took it as the communist BBC throwing Jezza a lifeline. Huh.
Jezza.
Wor Jez offering 'real opposition'.
He just needs his message to get out, then the numbers will change.
http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-cor...-jobs-10763124
They're basically leaderless. Defying a three line whip and keeping your job is proper end of days.
Yeah, but Paul Nuttall might have lied about being at Hillsborough (based on his suspicious refusal to mention it every hour), so UKIP are FINISHED.
I want to know what Seumas Milne's endgame is.
Probably that.
Third in their northern heartlands, effectively. Some effort.
Probably that.
If he destroys the Labour party as opposition to unfettered capitalism then he'll hasten the demise of capitalism when it collapses under the strain of its own contradictions.
That meme is this big already? Black Twitter really does rule the world.
That's the third time in a few days that picture has been posted, mix it up a bit chaps.
Where else was it posted? I don't remember seeing it on here.
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