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    Now the Tories are allowing big business to design their own tax loopholes

    http://gu.com/p/4d8ty?CMP=Share_Andr...y_to_clipboard

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    Senior Tories have lent support to far more odious things than the IRA campaign, as people have already been told, and ignored.

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    What is more odious than organised murder of innocent people?

    Labour are an utter shambles. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34508959

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    I don't know, why don't you ask General Pinochet?

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    If you're going to go down that route I think I can bring out some bigger hitters to be honest, like Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    If you're going to go down that route I think I can bring out some bigger hitters to be honest, like Mao.
    It's almost like there's dicks on both sides that both say/believe in things we don't like. It's almost THE ENTIRE POINT.

    Glad we got there eventually though.

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    Serious question as I don't actually know - were any of the Labour Party ever cosying up to Mao like Thatcher did with Pinochet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    And since when is the minister for health any sort of 'top science guy'?
    That's not what he said. He said that putting someone who believes in magic medicine being in charge of the health department would be like putting someone who believes in magicking gold out of lead in charge of science. Not that Jeremy Hunt should be a 'top science guy'.

    And it is proper mental. It's as ridiculous as the Ron Swanson character in Parks and Rec.

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    Having Jeremy Hunt in charge of health (or any major department) is a far worse crime than having someone who believes in homeopathy in charge of health.

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    The government always works with shithouse regimes, but they do so reluctantly because they perceive (rightly or wrongly) that it furthers British interests. Supporting the IRA doesn't really do that. It's the difference between sending the Soviet Union weapons in 1942 and speaking at dinners for Nazi industrialists.

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    For all the bike riding nonsense, the last Government have done an absolutely piss poor job on energy. And that's not even taking into account that bills haven't gone down despite Oil being nearly half the price per barrel these days.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...som?CMP=twt_gu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Having Jeremy Hunt in charge of health (or any major department) is a far worse crime than having someone who believes in homeopathy in charge of health.
    Wait, that can't be real can it?

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    That he believes in homeopathy? Certainly can be:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...edical-officer

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    Here's a more detailed piece on that Gove/Saudi/MoJ story

    http://jackofkent.com/2015/10/michae...he-background/

    edit: It's just been announced that we won't be running Saudi jails. Yay.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-3451870...e=news_central

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    Gove is such a hero. They should spend the next 15 years sending him round every department in turn sorting it the fuck out. Already made the teaching unions cry and undone Chris Grayling's absolute bollocks around prisons.

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    He made the teaching unions cry because his ideas were shit.

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    Aye, he was fucking mental even if I did briefly like him winding them up. In the end he got shifted as he was just becoming a joke.

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    His problem was giving it back to them. Had he just rammed everything through and kept it shut (except for trumpeting achievements) nobody would have cared, since his main ideas have been accepted anyway.

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    His ideas were almost exactly what Tony Blair did and they weren't crying then.

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    They're not so much crying as just leaving.

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    It's tempting to believe that anything your ideological opponents don't like is a good idea. But sometimes a turd is just a turd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    It's tempting to believe that anything your ideological opponents don't like is a good idea. But sometimes a turd is just a turd.
    But, you know, Labour.

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    I hope you enjoy doing this for the next 20 years as people continue voting for these terrible ideas instead of Labour ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    I don't know, why don't you ask General Pinochet?
    That would be bad, but not as bad as supporting the murder of your own citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    It's tempting to believe that anything your ideological opponents don't like is a good idea. But sometimes a turd is just a turd.
    His main policies were extending the academies programme and introducing free schools, and they both seem to be successful (and are being carried on without the same level of opposition). The stuff like messing about with the curriculum and sending out personally-signed Bibles... Yeah. Not so great.

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    Isn't Gove the one that's banned books and planning on banning smoking in Prisons? Because I can see those two going down well.

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    No, that was Grayling. Gove is looking to repeal the books 'ban'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I hope you enjoy doing this for the next 20 years as people continue voting for these terrible ideas instead of Labour ones.
    I wouldn't be surprised if you've read more about why people vote than I have, but I'm not convinced people vote for ideas, or are too often correct about what ideas they're voting for... I think a lot of people vote based on political catchphrases, faces, personalities, and very vague ideas about what parties mean.

    And also, some parties are terrible at getting their ideas across (e.g. Labour for the past 2 elections).

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    Why in the fuck would they ban books in prisons?

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    The ban got lifted in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
    Why in the fuck would they ban books in prisons?
    They banned the sending in of books, not books in general. They have a library, obviously.

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    It's not obvious. I read 'ban books' and I think 'ban books', funnily enough. Hence my question.

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    Well I'll rephrase that - it's obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense.

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    4:30 for what I've wanted someone to say for a long time to these stupid BBC, leftist, automaton, interruption merchants.

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    Now you're quoting Marine Le Pen? Who's next on your list of youtubers, fucking Pol Pot? That woman is an absolute disgrace and anything that comes out of her mouth is immediately discredited by the bile that was fallen out of it over the past 20 years.

    edit: And now I've watched the video it's the same old shit. A Le Pen telling people that 'your/their' traditions disgust them and they shouldn't be able to do it in public or interact with the public. They've just moved on from the Jews to Muslims. How progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Now you're quoting Marine Le Pen? Who's next on your list of youtubers, fucking Pol Pot? That woman is an absolute disgrace and anything that comes out of her mouth is immediately discredited by the bile that was fallen out of it over the past 20 years.

    edit: And now I've watched the video it's the same old shit. A Le Pen telling people that 'your/their' traditions disgust them and they shouldn't be able to do it in public or interact with the public. They've just moved on from the Jews to Muslims. How progressive.
    I don't see any connection between Le Pen and Pol Pot - more sensationalist claptrap, I fear. Followed by an insinuation that Muslims are suffering just as the Jews did. Fucking lol at you. I also didn't quote her, I just like the way she stuck it to the stupid bint. Your description of the video is absolute nonsense, of course. She didn't say anything 'disgusted' her and merely reiterated that praying in public is not acceptable in France, among other things which no sensible person would dispute. That isn't just for Muslims either, you'll find.

    It's refreshing to see someone white sticking up for their own culture for a change. It certainly scares twats like you, which is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    That isn't just for Muslims either, you'll find.
    Yes, I know, they're egalitarian in their hatred of those different from them. They're the Le Pens!

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    That makes no sense. They're against public prayer. That goes for everyone, so why cry about Muslims?

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    You really can't read can you? Like genuinely, you struggle to read. Do you just miss words or what? Do you see the word Muslim and it sends you into such a froth you've forgotten what words came previously? At this point it's coming across as a genuine mental disability.

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    To be fair she does give her a bit of a donning in that video.

    I would like to see some polling on the Le Pen brand. On the one hand it obviously helps get the message out there, with the existing party and that; on the other you wonder whether it prevents some people from voting for them (then again, it's not like the French care about anti-Semitism). Maybe their 'modernisation' will only be complete when the hot niece gets the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    You really can't read can you? Like genuinely, you struggle to read. Do you just miss words or what? Do you see the word Muslim and it sends you into such a froth you've forgotten what words came previously? At this point it's coming across as a genuine mental disability.
    Well the whole video you were crying about was about Muslims, and you have previous form. Are you upset for the Christians, then?

    And you did shed a tear about Muslims here, as I stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post

    edit: And now I've watched the video it's the same old shit. A Le Pen telling people that 'your/their' traditions disgust them and they shouldn't be able to do it in public or interact with the public. They've just moved on from the Jews to Muslims. How progressive.
    Like genuinely, like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Maybe their 'modernisation' will only be complete when the hot niece gets the job.
    Had to look that up. Fucking hell.

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    Sexist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    Well the whole video you were crying about was about Muslims, and you have previous form. Are you upset for the Christians, then?

    And you did shed a tear about Muslims here, as I stated:



    Like genuinely, like.
    Yes, she's moved onto Public Prayer (a Muslim issue) from Hasiddic Jews and Kippahs (Jewish issues). I live on the border of the country, I've been surrounded by this insane familiy's opinion for a decade and a half. And while she's slightly better at tone than her Father, it's the exact same core message.

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    I didn't realise only Muslims wanted to pray in public. Still, you live near there.

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    I've long imagined Daddy Le Pen being one of Harold's heroes, having seen the need to be a racist shit and frame it in vaguely modern terms in the seventies. This is an interesting development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    I didn't realise only Muslims wanted to pray in public. Still, you live near there.
    What are you even disagreeing with? I said it's more of her same old shit but this time it's about Muslims (Public Prayer is a specifically Muslim issue due to it 'having' to happen at certain times which lead some of the more devout to publicly pray in 'weird' places like those guys at the Liverpool game whereas the rest don't) instead of the Jews, (who have outfits etc.) as well as Kosher and Halal food (equal opportunities again). She also went big on not wearing Crosses anywhere, which I think is pathetic, if you'd like me to mention it. There's got to be some sort of Reading for Beginners class we can enrol you in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I've long imagined Daddy Le Pen being one of Harold's heroes, having seen the need to be a racist shit and frame it in vaguely modern terms in the seventies. This is an interesting development.
    I've never paid attention to him. I deal in true things, whether they're deemed racist or not. Sometimes the truth hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    What are you even disagreeing with? I said it's more of her same old shit but this time it's about Muslims (Public Prayer is a specifically Muslim issue due to it 'having' to happen at certain times which lead some of the more devout to publicly pray in 'weird' places like those guys at the Liverpool game whereas the rest don't) instead of the Jews, (who have outfits etc.) as well as Kosher and Halal food (equal opportunities again). She also went big on not wearing Crosses anywhere, which I think is pathetic, if you'd like me to mention it. There's got to be some sort of Reading for Beginners class we can enrol you in.
    I made it abundantly clear - it's not only Muslims who want to pray publicly. Regardless, they're in France and they know the law. Simple as that. And I fear again I have to tell you, it's not 'we'. You are not speaking as a collective, you speak for yourself.

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