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    We don't need a word for it in English.

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    Mario Monti rides again!

    As to base spite, perhaps we just don't like seeing Germany ride roughshod over the lesser nations of Europe? It's not like we (and they) don't have form.

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    She is literally the worst.

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    She's not pitching for your support. That's language aimed at voters sympathetic to UKIP, who she can win by showing that she's a) committed to Brexit, and b) isn't embarrassed about patriotism.

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    Just tell them we're off, love (and preferably trash the gaff on your way out). Anything less than that is a BETRAYAL.

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    Not sure how UKIP are going to be convinced by having a French Brexit.

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    Moving on from such trivia, Labour have a motion tomorrow calling on the government to publish its plan for Brexit negotiations before Article 50 is triggered. Which is fine isn't it, as "plan" is so vague that you could spend an entire parliamentary session debating what the scope is.

    The government have accepted an amended version of the motion. Theresa May has proposed an amendment which tacks on "...that this House will respect the wishes of the UK as expressed in the referendum of the 23rd June; and further calls on the government to invoke Article 50 by 31 March 2017."

    In effect, it means that anybody voting to see "the plan" is also explicitly going to have to back both a) the principle of Brexit, and b) the plan to invoke Article 50 by the end of March.

    I assume she's sent Keir "Sir Keir" Starmer a picture of a massive troll face. It's rather cleverly done, because it turns the whole debate from seeing "the plan" (as Labour intended) into a straight up or down on whether or not they support implementing the referendum result and getting on with it. They'll presumably take anybody who votes against it and be able to paint them as 'blocking Brexit', which'll place your average non-London Labour MP in difficulty.

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    It's pretty petty is what it is.

    This is even more interminable than the build up to the referendum. The EU had the right idea with the no talking until we talk shtick, but unfortunately they haven't been able to stop mouthing off since the inception of that policy.

    Just send John Redwood in. Do you want to trade with us? Our proposal is we continue to do so. You can keep the rest. What's your's Monsieur?

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    Guy Verhofstadt's twitter is probably the official end point of Europe's 600 years on top.

    Brexit looking a better shout by the day meanwhile as Europe falls in on itself.

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    I think they still believe we'll just not bother if they make it difficult enough. It probably doesn't help that certain sections of the populace appear to be in a state of deep and prolonged mourning over the result.

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    edit: Damn can't link the whole thing

    Read this for an excellent takedown of IDS' article in the Mail on THOSE EVIL JUDGES RAPING THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THIS FINE NATION

    https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret

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    The court case is irrelevant. If it loses, the commons will vote for it. The lords may want to block it, but it would be a pyrrhic victory if they did so as May would call an election on lords reform and ruin them.

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    Watching this:

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index...0&out=16:38:45

    And realising that Brexit is very much the real term. Anyone remember when the largest recession since The Great Depression was referred to FOR MONTHS as 'The Credit Crunch'

    How does this happen?

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    If you're going to be saying something a lot, you need a shorthand. The Squeezed Middle, Cost of Living Crisis, Living Wage, etc ...

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    Long term economic plan.

    What's Theresa May's version?

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    I'm not sure Maidenhead can cope.

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    I thought Mensch had fucked off to America? Is she back?

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    Will Self and Farage in the same room will end the world in a puff of smug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Long term economic plan.

    What's Theresa May's version?
    Brexit means Brexit/Breakfast depending on how hungover the MP is on the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Will Self and Farage in the same room will end the world in a puff of smug.
    At least Kiko won't be there.

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    The levels of smug on that panel are going to be off the scale.

    Farage should just light a cigar, and lie back with his feet on the desk for the duration of the programme.

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    Good panel, I'll watch that.

    Boris being smacked down for saying something that is allegedly "controversial" about Saudi Arabia but should be anything but, I see. Fucking twats.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38248316
    "Downing Street has said Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson's comments on Saudi Arabiado not represent "the government's position"."

    Beyond satire, really. Outstanding.

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    Tom Brake, the Lib Dems' foreign affairs spokesman, said: "This will be a huge embarrassment to May as she returns from her grubby tour of the Gulf, where she did her best to ignore human rights and desperately push trade at all costs."
    Thank fuck the remaining Lib Dems will never get near government again.

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    Why? What's wrong with what he's said there?

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    Sounds like he doesn't want us to trade. We're a country, not a religion, moral purity is impossible.

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    Since when does stating the fucking obvious in quite a reasoned and subtle way (listen to all of what Boris said) anything to do with "moral purity"?

    Is it government position to deny that the Saudi's and Iran are involved in sponsoring proxies against each other and that this leads to no good?

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    But we want out BRITAIN BACK? Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Since when does stating the fucking obvious in quite a reasoned and subtle way (listen to all of what Boris said) anything to do with "moral purity"?

    Is it government position to deny that the Saudi's and Iran are involved in sponsoring proxies against each other and that this leads to no good?
    Oh Boris is spot on, but it's the sort of thing you or I can say, not the Foreign Secretary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Thank fuck the remaining Lib Dems will never get near government again.
    Foreign Affairs Spokesman, and he also moonlights as their Chief Whip. Why?

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    Their new positioning as the unrepentant Party of Remain is going to be rather undermined when we leave.

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    'Twenty-eight countries, coming together in the continental interest...'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Oh Boris is spot on, but it's the sort of thing you or I can say, not the Foreign Secretary.
    Whilst probably true, I do find it difficult to get overly worked up about it. It'd be different if it wasn't both obvious and accurate. The bigger question is how this impacts the relationship between May and her senior ministers. There's only so long her constantly slapping them down can go on.

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    I was in Waterstones earlier looking for books to get my old man for Christmas (got him one about the Lancaster bomber in the end) and what should be in the political section than a single very thick volume of memoirs by Norman Lamb, the cover picture for which is him wearing a huge yellow scarf. I mean, come on, geez.

    Didn't see anything by Dr Evan Harris.

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    What possible interest could the memoirs of Norman Lamb hold to the general public?

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    I've got Julian Huppert's The Man Who Would Be King on my Amazon wishlist.

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    How can this Labour twat still not understand the rules of engagement over the TIME award?

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    Because expressing outrage is what the left do. Constantly, and at every opportunity.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38305413

    He's back

    Just a shame he's shitting on his time in the cabinet.

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    It was an idiotic speech that 1) ignores our involvement in making it last this long; and 2) blames Iraq for putting everybody off, rather than more recent examples of 'Western leadership' in Libya. These people are fucking deranged.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38319283

    I don't understand this. They've spent the last 25 years going on about 'needing to reflect the communities we serve', then introduce a ruling that means no police force will ever again do so.

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    Whose idea was that? How pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38319283

    I don't understand this. They've spent the last 25 years going on about 'needing to reflect the communities we serve', then introduce a ruling that means no police force will ever again do so.
    If they can do it as an apprenticeship I don't why it would be a barrier to anyone wanting to be Police Officer. It would just take 3 years to go from apprentice to a full fledged officer, and presumably end up with better qualified police officers (in theory).

    The whole thing might turn out to be complete shit, but the idea doesn't seem bad in principle. They're not saying that only university graduates can be police officers.

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    They probably need to create a market for the millions of people with completely pointless £30k degree qualifications.

    In other political news, this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...charity-single

    Is beyond brilliant.

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    Fuck.Ing.Hell

    That's up there with the policy obelisk.

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    I love as well how MP's just jump on whatever cause bandwagon is flavour of the month and nauseate the life out of it.

    Christmas working in retail has always been shit, this isn't a new thing.

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    Labour

    It's actually pretty decent comedy value at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Fuck.Ing.Hell

    That's up there with the policy obelisk.


    This was my exact reaction as well.

    You can just see the fresh faced spags coming up with the idea, with no one there to point out the (massive) potential pitfalls of hijacking a song about starvation/famine in Africa to complain about first world employment practices.

    Labour's press office insisted it was the MPs' personal decision to record the song and stressed it "has nothing to do with the Labour party".

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    Indeed. Alastair Campbell must be despairing on an almost hourly basis these days.

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