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    Letting Jezza get the better of her on grammar schools was shit - it's your policy, for fuck sake, slap him about.

    The public agree with her as well - even if most MPs are too worried about looking like they hate poor people to vocally back it - so it shouldn't be a particularly difficult sell.

    Maybe it's part of a longer-term strategy to keep him in place. If so, carry on.

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    There's a properly shit panel on QT tonight. Alistair Campbell and John McDonnell reaching peak snark.

    I can't understand the ideological hatred of grammar schools that some of these people have. They actually hate aspiration - they'd rather drag everybody down than let some people pull themselves up. Great effort, lads.

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    'I'm incapable of empathy.'

    Yeah, we get it.

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    A show of hands on grammar schools showing 2:1 against despite polling showing 4:1 for parents who would get their children to sit it and nearly 7:1 who would send the kids there if they got a place.

    Balanced audience indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    'I'm incapable of empathy.'

    Yeah, we get it.
    Yeah, because that's it. "Tories are evil" is just the fallback position for everything, isn't it.

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    John McDonnell really is a thoroughly unpleasant individual.

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    Is this nuclear plant actually just a massive bung to get the Chinese banking with us? Because nobody seems to support it, and that might actually make sense.

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    20℅ swing to liberal democrats in Newcastle. Lib dem gain in Tipton from labour.

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    Yes. Ed Davey (wanker) agreed a set price per MWh which is much higher than the existing market rate, which is basically a way of compensating the French and Chinese for putting the money in. It'll probably end up being operationally pointless before it even starts working properly, but it's a way of getting the Chinese on board - although they see it as a part of a wider infrastructure investment with another initiative at Bradwell.

    I'd have scrapped it, but then I suppose we can't go pissing the French and the Chinese off right now and the former have already sunk £2.5bn into it - so we'd probably have had to compensate them for it if we'd binned it off.

    It's just another Osborne fetish for a MEGA infrastructure project, though. Like HS2, only an even bigger waste of money. The third runway at Heathrow is the only sensible infrastructure project we have on the go at the minute, but then you have a few wankers refusing to accept that it's going to have to happen eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    20℅ swing to liberal democrats in Newcastle. Lib dem gain in Tipton from labour.
    I'm not sure there's much point looking at (presumably) council by-elections in isolation. The local government elections are only ever solid evidence when they're a nationwide electoral test for the government or opposition. Even then, you have to be absolutely shit as an opposition not to make serious inroads.

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    I saw a dog on the way to work this morning, and he barked 'LIB DEM FIGHTBACK' at me. He'll be in the House of Lords by next week.

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    Tim Farron is on Marr today and he is absolutely fucking hopeless.

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    The MELTDOWN over that UKIP woman praising Vladimir Putin is a bit tragic. It's from all sides as well. Whether you love the IRA, support Venezuela, consider yourself a 'Citizen of Europe', or want Islamists to run Syria; you know what Labour-voting areas want to hear about world affairs.

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    Everybody loves a good virtue signal.

    Not that Diane James isn't a bit shit, mind you. Her interview with Brillo was hardly encouraging. There's a space for UKIP, particularly in the north, but not unless they're suggesting you summarily hang criminals and deport non-natives.

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    Peter Hitchens wrote a very good thing on Russia the other week, if you missed it.

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    I had indeed missed it, but just had a chance to read it there.

    Very good. I think his central point is right, as well. I think it also brings into the focus the key point that different peoples, from a governmental perspective, want / need different things.

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    Jezza is winning so hard. What a man. Seamus Milne to be running 10 Downing Street within the year.

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    It's not really funny any more. It's a cult.

    "The leader... The leader... The leader... Mandate... The leader...". Whatever, mate.

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    Mental.

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    Helping out single parents with breakfast clubs and after-school clubs?

    STALINIST BASTARDS! WE'LL ALL BE IN THE GULAGS SOON! ARRRRRGH!

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    "...to increase the involvement of children, parents and carers in Momentum and the Labour Party."

    "...they need to facilitate their political engagement."

    "...aims to increase children's involvement in Momentum and the labour movement by promoting political activity that is fun, engaging and child friendly."
    Alright. By promoting political activity - in children. It's a bit like Nazi exam questions on how heavy an aircraft bombing the Jews in Warsaw is or hinting at how much you could pay to good, decent married Aryans if there were no mentally ill people.

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    But yeah, sure, piss yourself.

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    Which isn't what the press release says, but I suppose when you've been drinking the Kool-Aid to the extent you have a Twitter line from a Corbyn activist is considered prescient and insightful.

    "Corbyn Youth" has a ring to it, I suppose. I wonder what the quiz questions will be like: "John organises a strike ballot amongst junior doctors. There are 30,000 junior doctors. Turnout is 93%, and the number of ballots in favour of strike action is 99%. What percentage of Conservative voters are evil?"

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    If it was just a childcare plan to let the mums pop along to some Momentum event without their kids it would be fine, but actively trying to politicise children isn't really on. Any child young enough to need a 'breakfast club' is too young to have some proselytising volunteer poking him towards a political cause he can't possibly understand.

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    I'm sure you both wholeheartedly disagree with children being taken to/involved in Orange parades.

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    Where's the sustained ideological indoctrination arising from watching a flute band?

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    The quotes in this make it sound a lot more sinister (not to mention self-important) than breakfast clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    The quotes in this make it sound a lot more sinister (not to mention self-important) than breakfast clubs.
    That goes with the territory on the [far] left, really.

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    Back to actual Russia, and the BBC sez that the Putin Party leads the polls (44%), followed by the nationalists and the communists (14-16%), and with the fuzzy liberals that we might actually like nowhere to be seen. Garry Kasparov must be livid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    I'm sure you both wholeheartedly disagree with children being taken to/involved in Orange parades.
    The parades themselves are fine. It's just a load of bands marching along the road. If it's followed by a Powerpoint presentation on why Fenians are bad then there's a problem, but you can't really police what children are exposed to in their own homes.

    I'm against religious schooling and all that shit though for the same reasons. It's teaching children a particular worldview that they're generally not equipped to reject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    The parades themselves are fine. It's just a load of bands marching along the road. If it's followed by a Powerpoint presentation on why Fenians are bad then there's a problem, but you can't really police what children are exposed to in their own homes.

    I'm against religious schooling and all that shit though for the same reasons. It's teaching children a particular worldview that they're generally not equipped to reject.
    Couldn't you say that about secular schooling? I think some light religious education is very important in instilling a sense of morality and justice.

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    I can't be a 100% sure, but I think you can teach/learn morality within an atheist upbringing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    Couldn't you say that about secular schooling? I think some light religious education is very important in instilling a sense of morality and justice.
    I'm pretty sure that's exactly what John was saying. You don't get 'light religious education' in faith schools that tell you 'this is what we think about these issues'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    I can't be a 100% sure, but I think you can teach/learn morality within an atheist upbringing.
    Yeah maybe if you have a PHD and an IQ above 120; the dirty masses need direction and moral indoctrination for the greater good of society.

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    What you've described there sounds fairly utilitarian. You don't need religion for a sense of morality or justice.

    I do think it is something worth teaching kids to an extent though (RE that is), if for nothing other than the historical/cultural interest angle. I always find people who know absolutely nothing about any of the major faiths (due to never having had any religious education) a bit disconcerting. It's a fairly big thing, even if you aren't a true believer.

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    Yeah, as long as there's a clear delineation between facts and made-up nonsense, then it's fine. We all know there's no such impartiality around any of these things though - let's not pretend otherwise.

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    I'm quite enjoying GS go mental at anything involving Labour. It's like if Harold found a thesaurus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    I'm quite enjoying GS go mental at anything involving Labour. It's like if Harold found a thesaurus.
    "New Labour" broke the country, but "Old Labour" has some mental ideas that shouldn't be allowed near the statute book. The logical conclusion is that Labour are likely to ruin the country, and thus must be kept out at all costs.

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    This is interesting (but the site is almost unreadable) on the 'Golden Generation' who oversaw Labour killing itself, and the picture is seriously lol.

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    That undercover Momentum thing was a bit tame. MI5 and the Jews are obviously slipping.

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    It's not as if it uncovered anything that we don't already know. They're hard left, many are entryists leveraging on the Labour party as the only available bandwagon for some relevance, they want deselections of moderates, they want loyalty to the leader in a Soviet-esque manner and a lot of them aren't particularly pleasant people.

    Great. The tagline is really "TV programme confirms obvious fact". We're briefed.

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    Come to think of it, the crapness of the revelations will probably annoy them more than a proper hatchet job would have done, because it looks like they're desperate to attack them any way they can. So there is that to lol forward to.

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    The self-pity has already been out in force. I don't really understand why the hated MAIN STREAM MEDIA give them consistent coverage. They're a pressure group. Just because they consider Wor Jez as the second coming of Christ doesn't mean they're not absolutely shit and full of nutters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    This is interesting (but the site is almost unreadable) on the 'Golden Generation' who oversaw Labour killing itself, and the picture is seriously lol.
    Wee Dougie Alexander now being an adviser to Bono is almost too good to be true, as a metaphor for them lot.

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    Tim Farron gave his big speech today (in that annoying six word sentence form), and it is absolutely terrible.

    I kind of see Tony Blair the way I see The Stone Roses, I preferred the early work.
    Mate.

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    Tony's best work was actually done quite late in the day, like, er, no major musician ever.

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    Farron is genuinely hopeless. I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that they're genuinely finished as a significant force in politics. Paddy Ashdown continued his nervous breakdown this week by suggesting that the "progressive majority" should run a unity candidate in Witney against the Tories.

    Mate.

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    Nigel Farage was treated like a king on Loose Women earlier. No mixed response from the crowd or anything. I mean, the dust has settled on the vote but I've now got a weird impression all 'women of a certain age' are dangerous fanatics who must be stopped at all costs.

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