Exactly. Why rush an election when he's in charge of the other side? All you are doing is giving the Labour Party a plausible reason to ditch him (crushing election defeat) and potentially start recovering sooner. If you wait out the full term, you let him do 4 more years worth of damage, and then suffer a crushing defeat, delaying the rebuild. Unless something intervenes like a new great recession and Jez leads his socialist revolution all the way to number 10. That's the gamble I guess.
It would have to be a proper kidnapping-other-people's-children-and-eating-them kind of recession before Corbyn won an election, I think.
He's nominated Shami Chakrabarti for a peerage. Top, top trolling.
Jezza has donned this debate. Yes, the nobody glasses nobody is terrible, but he 1) has a clear wrong answer for everything; and 2) actually sounds like he cares. The empty suit sounds like somebody has asked me to act like Ed Miliband to win a fiver bet.
Standing ovation as well. First one to stop clapping gets shot.
Was it televised?
It was on YouTube. The feed went down for a bit, which I'm guessing was Jews.
Speaking of, they're now calling the anti-semitism report a 'whitewash for a peerage' scandal.
Outstanding work, lads.
Corbyn is absolutely outstanding. Christ knows how he's got this far just on a personal level.
He's not a particularly threatening individual, so I imagine that has a lot to do with it.
I missed all this Chakrabati business. I'm sure she said she wouldn't accept a peerage on Newsnight a fortnight ago.
Lol at the Jewish seethe.
Probably fair enough seething as well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...9idwnvmtcmzpvi
Comrade Corbyn dredging up the UBI idea from the Green manifesto. How do you reckon he'd pay for it? "By expanding the economy and cutting down on tax avoidance", no doubt.
Wor Jez has solidified his hold over the party for the next thirty years. Labour have lost a ruling meaning they have to allow everybody who joined after January to vote in the election (and refund everybody who was already there but re-registered for £25 as a 'registered supporter') and they've managed to get another six leftists onto the NEC. In addition, he's apparently said he wouldn't automatically stand down if they were annihilated in 2020 - it would be down to 'the membership' to decide if his 'mandate' would continue.
Just split and be done with it.
Watching them squabble on Newsnight is absolutely glorious. The non-nutter who was resigned to at least a decade in the wilderness,and the reaction to him was brilliant.
"But it's a movement!"
They're fucking insane. Let me dig up that post Henry made where he suggested that Twitter mentions suggested Wor Jez's message was getting through.
Grim.Originally Posted by Henry
Ipsos MORI has done a Twitter sentiment analysis of tweets about Jeremy Corbyn’s speech. They looked at 41,000 tweets and classified almost 20,000 of them as positive or negative. Some 76% were positive. By comparison, when Ed Miliband gave his last conference speech as leader in 2014, only 24% were positive.
The establishment and media can try to fuck him up however they like; but the public already don't trust those. His message may just get through.
I'm fairly sure there must be some kind of inverse relationship between the number of members a party has and it's 'electability' generally. Loads of members probably means you are the wrong side of mental for mainstream non-political bods to accept you.
I'd say you're right. The membership of any party invariably gives more of a shit than your average voter, but the problem with this particular membership is that it adheres entirely to one branch of the party; that is, your embittered metropolitan liberal voter. The rest of the core vote isn't represented at all, meaning they're appealing to a very small section of the potential electorate without recognising that's the case. The Tories have far fewer members, but they tend to be pragmatic as evidenced by backing Cameron over Davis in 2005.
Much of their hope is pinned on the great unwashed suddenly turning out in droves to vote for Wor Jez because his "message" is what they want to hear. It gives them hope, without requiring any hard self-analysis about why their existing vote share is so shit.
Their problem with that is a) these people don't care enough to vote and b) even if they did, they'd probably be the sort of people who'd want 'brown people' deported and criminals taken outside the court house and hanged in front of a baying mob. They're not going to be interested in Jez's message for a 'social Europe' and his contempt for 'rising levels of inequality'.
The fundamental messages of Corbyn and his mates are only going to appeal to your London types. Those in the north who vote for them are going to do so out of brand loyalty and nothing more. They're absolutely fucked.
I saw Corbyn wrote an article for the Telegraph, what's going on there?
Why wouldn't he?
From his point it's good but I was surprised they agreed to it.
I think you may have your dynamics confused.
This Nigel Farage moustache is a potential game changer.
You can't post that and then not provide a picture.
I really don't get why people grow moustaches. My dad has one. Has had for years. They're just such odd things though.
lol if (when) Jezza wins the leadership contest even without these 2016 members.
The Treasury have confirmed they'll match all EU funding, including agricultural funding to 2020 when a new system will come into place.
There's another scare story torpedoed.
How are they paying for that?
I suspect it'll ostensibly be from the £10bn we pack off to Brussels every year, mindful of the fact that nobody can quantify the impact - positive or otherwise - of leaving on the economy as a whole.
If that fails, they can just raise taxes on the poor.
That wasn't a snarky question, by the way. I was genuinely wondering.
Is the money we send to Brussels enough to cover that?
It is indeed.
We paid £20bn gross to Brussels a year. Of that, we got some back in a rebate and some from EU funding through CAP (Common Agricultural Policy), infrastructure investments and academic funding. So all things told, we were paying £10bn net into Brussels which was diverted elsewhere in the union e.g. administrative costs in Brussels or sent to Poland, Slovakia etc.
So it's certainly enough to cover it, and assuming the economy stayed exactly the same we'd have an extra £10bn to spend even if we covered all EU funding. The question becomes whether adverse changes in the economy from leaving mean your £10bn net - which is 'extra' after you've already met all EU funding - gets eaten before it can be spent on 'our NHS'.
They should phase agricultural subsidies out eventually. Then we might have some more land to build on.
It's sensible to have some, because food is the sort of thing you need to have some self-sufficiency in and if farmers got recompensed solely 'in the market' they'd (well, a decent number) be up shit creek.
Still, leaving the EU will mean fucking off their shit protectionist policies so we'll have cheaper food and we'll stop shafting African farmers. It's win-win.
My local branch of the Labour Party had their vote for Leadership candidate which as you can imagine was hotly debated in a town reliant on Trident. In the end Jez took it by a landslide and one of the speakers who made an impassioned plea on behalf of Owen shouted 'FUCK YOU ALL' before leaving with a dramatic door slam.
Alright, Beano. Why don't you post much now?
#swag
It's one of the most remarkable developments in postwar British politics.
Now all he needs to do is trim down the sides a bit...
He should go for proper Victorian Mutton Chops.
He's just hoping there's a part for him if Life On Mars ever gets a reboot.
Even if you think he's a cunt, he should be in the Lords.
I honestly thought that was satire when it first popped up in my Twitter feed.
Choudrays been jailed for hate crimes. So much for THE TERRIBLE UNDEMOCRATIC EU HUMAN RIGHTS ACT.
His supporters will lap it up, no doubt.
What are you even on about? That would be used to stop him being deported if he wasn't British - which he is, so it's irrelevant.
I'm a bit worried about this 'secret plan' the Conservatives have to privatise the National Health Service, and which only Owen Smith knows about, but I wonder whether he's hampering our efforts to fight them by not giving us any details.
When Labour start citing the NHS, you know they're in bother. They've been complaining that the Tories are going to privatise the NHS for decades, and they've stubbornly refused to do so.
Still, a "secret plan" invites all sort of conspiracy wankers to opine. Like the fifth of Labour voters who think Wor Jez is being actively sabotaged by MI5.
Owen Smiths said that we should bring ISIS to the table.
edit: And yet the main story seems to be 'Corbyn doesn't know who Ant & Dec are'
Nice.
The way that privatisation (i.e. getting private companies to run bits of it) is banded about being the same as not free at the point of service is so disingenuous.
Of course it is. Not that it's a solution to all evils, but it clearly has a place in providing the best healthcare possible under the constraints of a system that is free at the point of use.
Then again, I'm right wing and still consider the NHS to be sacrosanct so you fiddle with it at your peril.
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