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    They wouldn't, unfortunately. The military establishment is naturally very hawkish (by virtue of their organizational structure). They're usually quite bonkers themselves - I read a good paper on organization systems theory that detailed the plans of action proposed by each of like 3 or 4 sectors of govt in response to the Bay of Pigs crisis, and the army generals consistently suggested the most bellicose approaches. They love to escalate, so they would probably take to Trump in a heartbeat. Which is pretty demoralizing.

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    If that was the case (which it wouldn't be), it probably wouldn't even go that far. He would need the Secretary of Defense to agree to any nuclear orders, and, assuming he has to have at least a few competent people around him, there is scope within the Constitution for mental Presidents to be declared unfit to command if a majority of the Cabinet thinks they've lost it.

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    Assuming that a Trump inauguration goes off without somebody capping him.

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    Darn liberal media.

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    The authoritarian fears are all overblown. The real danger is that he is temperamentally unsuited to be head of state. I would imagine Twitter wars with generals, Congress, or the Supreme Court. His interviews and press conferences are all extemporaneous and it is odd what he remembers. He flubs what could be a good attack on Ukraine by messing up details and ruins it. He remembers four to five sentences of what Ryan said verbatim because it was a personal affront.

    There will be a mass shooting, terrorist attack, police involved violence, political gridlock, or even a natural disaster. He has never displayed an attempt at anything other than blaming, bragging, dominance, or delagitimizing. His response to that is the worry.

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    Nice to see that they finally turned on Brownback in Kansas.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/1195...as-become-hell

    By June of 2014, the results of Brownback’s economic reforms began to come in, and they weren’t pretty. During the first fiscal year that his plan was in operation, which ended in June, the tax cuts had produced a staggering loss in revenue—$687.9 million, or 10.84 percent. According to the nonpartisan Kansas Legislative Research Department, the state risks running deficits through fiscal year 2019. Moody’s downgraded the state’s credit rating from AA1 to AA2; Standard & Poor’s followed suit, which will increase the state’s borrowing costs and further enlarge its deficit.

    Brownback had also promised that his tax cuts would vault Kansas ahead of its higher-taxed neighbors in job growth, but that, too, failed to happen. In Kansas, jobs increased by 1.1 percent over the last year, compared with 3.3 percent in neighboring Colorado and 1.5 percent in Missouri. From November to May, Kansas had actually lost jobs, and the labor participation rate was lower than when Brownback took office. The cuts did not necessarily slow job growth, but they clearly did not accelerate it. And the effects of Brownback’s education cuts were also glaring—larger class sizes, rising fees for kindergarten, the elimination of arts programs, and laid-off janitors and librarians.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...17-column.html

    The Congressional Joint Economic Committee reported earlier this year that Kansas had just 9,400 new private-sector jobs in 2015 (out of 2.6 million nationwide). U.S. Department of Commerce data show that, prior to Brownback's tax cuts, Kansas ranked 12th in the nation in personal income growth; after the tax cuts it fell to 41st.
    Tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts. Turns out that when you slice $630 million out of the budget, you can't afford to pay for things like schools. Who knew.

    Somehow this will be spun into a successful trickle-down conservative utopia, but it's going to really take some solid blinkering to make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    When would you advocate their use, Ital?
    Never ever first. I honestly can't think of a situation where I would be alright with being the first party in a conflict to drop a nuclear weapon.

    I think there can be reasonable disagreement on this. I don't think that someone with a cavalier attitude who doesn't appreciate the gravity of the discussion should be permitted to get within state lines of the launch codes. Even if you think there are situations where a nuclear first strike is the correct course of action, you shouldn't ever see it as an easy decision.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    If that was the case (which it wouldn't be), it probably wouldn't even go that far. He would need the Secretary of Defense to agree to any nuclear orders, and, assuming he has to have at least a few competent people around him, there is scope within the Constitution for mental Presidents to be declared unfit to command if a majority of the Cabinet thinks they've lost it.
    If the best argument is "maybe someone smarter will do something drastically unprecedented in order to stop me from doing something stupid hopefully", it doesn't instil much in the way of courage.

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    Trump refused to endorse Ryan or McCain.

    Civil War

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    He's going to have some serious bother getting together a cabinet at this rate.

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    Trump's spokeswoman reckons the Khan boy was killed because of military changes made by Obama.

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    Dig up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Trump's spokeswoman reckons the Khan boy was killed because of military changes made by Obama.
    Considering he died in 2004, and those changes didn't come into effect until 2006.

    That's a mighty powerful President

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    Obama was still Senator for Change in 2006.

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    I'd say it's unlike me to get my dates wrong but that's quite evidently not true.

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    Tempted to get 'Trump 16' on my new LUFC home shirt.

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    GOSH DARN LIBERAL MEDIA LIARS

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    It was always a bit hit 'n' miss, but Breitbart is a full-going embarrassment these days. I blame 'Milo'.

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    This is an interesting idea, although you would probably have to limit it to people over seventy to stop 'active' historians using every crisis to validate whatever shite they write about (plus lol Niall Ferguson mate as if they would invite you you Scottish meathead).

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    I loled.

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    Odds on every single one of those being other white property billionaires?

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    At least a few are Jewish.

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    Harold Ham, Howard Lobster, Steven Munching? He was probably just hungry when that team was assembled.

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    And it includes a guy named Barrak so back off the poor Donald.

    This election is insane. The good Dr. Jill Stein is pandering to anti-vaxxers to get 2%. The former Counter Punch enthusiast Sanders is a New Deal Democrat. The Democrats are left leaning Rockefeller Republicans. The Reagan Republicans are either stunned, screaming "I fucking told you so", or are holding their nose while pretending the Trumpkins are not actually the Dixiecrats.

    Nothing in my life has prepared me for a day when state polls come out in Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina with not simply a Democrat but Hillary in front. It can't hold up but I never thought I'd see a single poll like that.

    A former Acting Director of the CIA has an op-Ed in the NYT basically saying Trump is so stupid that he is essentially a co-opted Putin asset.
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/05....co/3gp7CiaqTf

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    If you believe any of those polls and take anything published in the NYT in 2016 seriously, then I feel sorry for you.

    North Carolina was almost entirely a Democrat dominated state until like 2008, so you have no idea what you're talking about.

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    Two Democratic winners since 1968.

    Remember, people. Always fact check what Mert has to say.

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    Or just ignore it.

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    It was a list of things that make me think "What?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    If you believe any of those polls and take anything published in the NYT in 2016 seriously, then I feel sorry for you.

    North Carolina was almost entirely a Democrat dominated state until like 2008, so you have no idea what you're talking about.
    I'm genuinely worried you'll end up topping yourself when Trump loses, you're setting yourself up for the most monumental of falls.

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    He won't off himself. He'll just do some crunches in the basement whilst crying. "Mert, you can come out. That Alpha Female has our best interests at heart."

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    He'll pretend he didn't even like him that much anyway.

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    The pussy liberal media won't let Trump win anyway.

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    Mert was similarly bullish before 2012. Properly on board the poll-unskewing lunacy that infected the Republicans that time around. He spun out on election night, but picked himself up and dusted himself off for 2016. He'll be fine.

    I'm more curious about what Trump will do if he loses. If Clinton goes down, she'll go quietly. But Trump just can't let any slight pass, let alone the biggest, most ego-bruising rejection he'll have ever experienced. He'll at least put out a call to civil war and/or secession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Two Democratic winners since 1968.

    Remember, people. Always fact check what Mert has to say.
    Look at state offices buddy.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111304276.html

    "Republicans hold the North Carolina Senate for the first time since 1870 and the Minnesota Senate for the first time ever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    I'm more curious about what Trump will do if he loses.
    Probably the same thing mert will do:

    'Just trolling lulz.'

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    Ask Sebo if he has a spare room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    I'm more curious about what Trump will do if he loses. If Clinton goes down, she'll go quietly. But Trump just can't let any slight pass, let alone the biggest, most ego-bruising rejection he'll have ever experienced. He'll at least put out a call to civil war and/or secession.
    He has already laid the groundwork for being able to call foul play on the election. I actually think that that's his dream scenario. Lose by 0.5% and claim that the powers that be rigged it. Hard to do if he gets "BTFO" by 7% though.

    Great new visualization by 538:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    He has already laid the groundwork for being able to call foul play on the election. I actually think that that's his dream scenario. Lose by 0.5% and claim that the powers that be rigged it. Hard to do if he gets "BTFO" by 7% though.

    Great new visualization by 538:

    Apparently both the Republicans and Democrats are reducing their operations in Colorado and Virginia, as they're seen as pretty close to safe. The picture suggests that all the Democrats need to get is Pennsylvania and Nevada, while the Republicans pretty much need to run the table of swing states.

    Lots of time left to go, but it's always instructive to watch where the campaigns are sending the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    I actually think that that's his dream scenario. Lose by 0.5% and claim that the powers that be rigged it.
    We call this the Boris Johnson Gambit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    It was always a bit hit 'n' miss, but Breitbart is a full-going embarrassment these days. I blame 'Milo'.
    Have you seen this? https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-sc...932#.2a93vmfd8

    I immediately thought of it when I saw this post but couldn't remember what it was called.

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    Yeah. I thought it covered that lot quite well, although he probably deserves more credit for exploiting that gamer shit and 'Daddy' how he has (even if none of it seems particularly sustainable).

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    Is that Laurie Penny article any good or is it just her usual shit?

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    It pins down Mert pretty well too.

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    I see Trump has had a MASSIVE go at Japan, not apparently recognising it's quite an important alliance for the Americans.

    You have to laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Is that Laurie Penny article any good or is it just her usual shit?
    That reminds of this:


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    I would love to marry her and spend the rest of my life showing her up.

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    Its the marriage all of us want. Bollocks to some Victoria Coren-inflicted intellectual pit.

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    The level of smugness in the Coren Mitchell household would be so potent that the building would evaporate the second you lit a match.

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    'Can we not have one dinner party without you having to "guess the benders"?'
    'Was I right?'
    '.....'
    'Who holds a fork like that?'
    '.....'
    'Seriously. You should blog about it.'

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    She's definitely shameful lustage. Although I'm not even all that ashamed.

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