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    Quote Originally Posted by mokbull View Post
    You suck dude

    Try having some depth to your personality
    Ah yes right on schedule, the cuck liberal who fashions his political opinions on the basis of what he thinks impresses girls with a meaningless ad hominem attack. Being a feminist ally is still a very bad marketing policy boyo.

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    I wouldn't say I'm a social liberal by any stretch of the imagination. I just think you're not very smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokbull View Post
    I wouldn't say I'm a social liberal by any stretch of the imagination. I just think you're not very smart.
    Lmk when you've got any substantive point to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokbull View Post
    I wouldn't say I'm a social liberal by any stretch of the imagination. I just think you're not very smart.
    I'd say you're wrong. I think he's relatively smart. So I wouldn't worry about his "smartness". Throw the cunt on the street and watch him be eaten alive. Poor boy wouldn't know what to do. Poor rich boy.

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    His thoughts are facile, whether or not that's an indicator of intelligence idk. I would think so

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    Jesus fuck this RNC shitshow. Cruz just went on stage and said "vote your conscience" without endorsing.

    @EWErickson:
    SOURCE: The Trump camp knew this morning Cruz would not endorse and told Cruz's camp they'd orchestrate booing if he refused.
    Why would you let him speak? That smug grin combined with the booing, this is going to overshadow Pence hard tomorrow.

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    Nobody who votes for Trump cares about Cruz endorsing him or who the VP is, either. This is all irrelevant.

    Trump's message is I'm Here To Make You Feel Good About Being White And/Or Middle Class Again. Nothing else matters. Nothing else sticks. It's all noise that feeds the beast - Trump's here, it's ok to feel good again.

    The worse he looks in conventional political terms, the worse the stories get, the better he'll do. His narrative is "they" hate you, I love you, vote for me and feel good and that's all being reinforced every day of this convention.

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    I'd hate to be a speech writer in the Trump camp. Donald rarely sticks to anything you put in front of him. At least you can get his wife to open with, "As a fellow American..." and she'll stick with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokbull View Post
    His thoughts are facile, whether or not that's an indicator of intelligence idk. I would think so
    LOL. Please tell me more about how intelligent you are when we both know you're only at Stanford because you play a sport.

    Protip: Dismissing someones opinion as 'facile' without actually addressing the merits of any particular argument is idiotic: "Oh you're just so wrong it's not even pointing out why you're wrong obviously"

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    Quote Originally Posted by elth View Post
    Nobody who votes for Trump cares about Cruz endorsing him or who the VP is, either. This is all irrelevant.

    Trump's message is I'm Here To Make You Feel Good About Being White And/Or Middle Class Again. Nothing else matters. Nothing else sticks. It's all noise that feeds the beast - Trump's here, it's ok to feel good again.

    The worse he looks in conventional political terms, the worse the stories get, the better he'll do. His narrative is "they" hate you, I love you, vote for me and feel good and that's all being reinforced every day of this convention.
    No it's not. This is a simplistic media narrative to try and undermine why people actually vote for him; this same psychological phenomenon appeals to the same extent to Hillary anyways. People vote for him because of his policies.

    Please keep in mind Trump supporters are better educated and wealthier than Hillary supporters.

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    Of course they are, they're white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elth View Post
    Of course they are, they're white.
    So people only make voting decisions on the basis of their race? Not education, greater good, policy, etc? So humans are basically tribal caveman without the capacity for critical thinking; this is your response?

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    As if mokkers is on a sports ride. He makes Spoonsky look hard.

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    This is basically how the day went.

    1. Trump threw Melania under the bus admitting she plagiarized the speech just hours after Manafort went on TV denying it.

    2. Trump in an interview with the NYT claimed he would not back up NATO allies in the event of a Russian attack.

    3. Heil Hitler





    4. Cruz basically told the base to come out, not vote Trump, vote GOP down ballot.

    5. Mike Pence did a pretty good old-school Repub speech that no one will remember after all this other fuckery.

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    My response is that Trump's support is overwhelmingly white, and white people in America area much more educated and wealthy on average than everyone else.

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    Ted Cruz trolling the hall with the smuggest face.

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    It was pretty good.

    When you look at the list of high profile Republicans not backing Trump it's staggering. That said, there are enough who have jumped aboard to make it hard for them to ever row back from this position in the future. If he doesn't get across the line then the Republicans could be completely fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Ted Cruz trolling the hall with the smuggest face.
    It was total political suicide, regardless of whether Trump wins or loses. Conservative voters worship principles, they do not like a liar who goes back on his word for the purpose of political grandstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davgooner View Post
    It was pretty good.

    When you look at the list of high profile Republicans not backing Trump it's staggering. That said, there are enough who have jumped aboard to make it hard for them to ever row back from this position in the future. If he doesn't get across the line then the Republicans could be completely fucked.
    Pretty sure the amount of support Trump gets from Republicans is more or less equivalent to the amount Hillary gets from Democrats. So...I guess Republican leaders have more integrity and are more likely to represent their constituents honestly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    represent their constituents honestly
    That's not happening whoever gets in, ever, in the current system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    It was total political suicide, regardless of whether Trump wins or loses. Conservative voters worship principles, they do not like a liar who goes back on his word for the purpose of political grandstanding.
    If (when) 'The Donald' gets annihilated in this election, Cruz will look like the only honest geezer who didn't fall for it, and he'll coast the nomination next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    If (when) 'The Donald' gets annihilated in this election, Cruz will look like the only honest geezer who didn't fall for it, and he'll coast the nomination next time.
    People see through his selfish ploy which does nothing but embolden the Democrats in the short-term.

    But...was this all planned to destroy Cruz as retribution for not endorsing him? Couldn't be...or could it?

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/7665/e...ch-ben-shapiro

    According to the source, the entire Cruz speech was cleared by the Trump campaign. Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, expressly approved the speech at 4:30 PM ET. The source, who was standing on the convention floor at the time of the speech, said that Trump operatives were present, urging the crowd to boo. “This was orchestrated by the Trump campaign to make Senator Cruz a pariah within the party,” said the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    People vote for him because of his policies.

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    You have to admire how smug he is.

    The primaries were decided by people for whom policy is a secondary consideration. On both sides.

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    #TheTedWedding is trending.

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    ...except that the GOP is now as united as it's ever been this cycle:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/2...s-looking-for/

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    Fair play to Cruz. I don't think it's even politically driven, I think he just hates Trump on a personal level for making personal attacks on his family.

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    If they could get Clinton thrown out on purgery, they could find some dirt on Trump easily. Just look under his golf course for his eight aborted daughters.

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    I was reading that earlier.

    America is far less safe – and the world is far less stable – than when Obama made the decision to put Hillary Clinton in charge of America’s foreign policy.
    I am certain it is a decision he truly regrets. Her bad instincts and her bad judgment – something pointed out by Bernie Sanders – are what caused the disasters unfolding today. Let’s review the record. In 2009, pre-Hillary, ISIS was not even on the map.

    Libya was cooperating. Egypt was peaceful. Iraq was seeing a reduction in violence. Iran was being choked by sanctions. Syria was under control. After four years of Hillary Clinton, what do we have? ISIS has spread across the region, and the world. Libya is in ruins, and our Ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the hands of savage killers. Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control. Iraq is in chaos.

    Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. Syria is engulfed in a civil war and a refugee crisis that now threatens the West. After fifteen years of wars in the Middle East, after trillions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost, the situation is worse than it has ever been before.

    This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton: death, destruction and weakness.
    Yeah, alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    LOL. Please tell me more about how intelligent you are when we both know you're only at Stanford because you play a sport.

    Protip: Dismissing someones opinion as 'facile' without actually addressing the merits of any particular argument is idiotic: "Oh you're just so wrong it's not even pointing out why you're wrong obviously"
    I don't play a sport? You think I play tennis for Stanford?

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    His trade "policy" is somehow even worse than I previously believed.

    Just the complete stupidity of wanting to rip up and remake every trade deal INDIVIDUALLY.

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    Sounds familiar.

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    Someone might be trying to win the Midwest.

    And once again someone proves the maxim that nobody thinks America is more shit than a proponent of American exceptionalism.

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    Ivanka's speech would have gone down well at the Democratic convention.

    Trump's giving the Trumpiest speech possible. Fair play to him, dancing with the girl he brought to the party. The centre is for low energy losers anyway.

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    That's the thing that concerns me most about Trump. As soon as he gets on the mic in a time of national tragedy, it'll be the most fire-stoking bitterness fuel known to man.

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    So how about those DNC leaks

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    I liked the one about Mexicans never changing their voting habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    So how about those DNC leaks
    Pretty much confirms what we already knew. DWS has just resigned.

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    Should start a petition to see if they can re-run the primary campaign.

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    Never underestimate our ability to shoot ourselves in the foot.

    Saddest thing is that this will probably stop "the progressives" from learning that the real reason they lost was all the 80 / 20 losses in the South where the party is made up of the two biggest practical instead of ideological voting groups.

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    The 'Solid South' defecting to the Republicans en masse after the Civil Rights Act is one of the most spectacular seethes in history. You'd think they'd be over it by now.

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    Not really. People still vote in the same blocks. Is it any different than my wife's family who voted for Republican's after they got the chance to desert the rice plantations in South Carolina to fight with Union Army? They left the party of Lincoln just as quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davgooner View Post
    Pretty much confirms what we already knew. DWS has just resigned.
    DNC chairs serve at the nomination of the party leader ie. President or Senate leader so her term was up with Obama leaving anyway. It's a nice little sop to Sanders supporters - pretending to quit a job she was leaving anyway.

    The bigger win for Sanders is that there's going to be less super delegates going foward. Of course he got smashed on regular delegates anyway, but in the future a populist insurgency may have a better chance.

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    The media not counting super delegates from the start would be a nice touch.

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    Nearly a new page

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    Oh lawd, Trump in the lead in new CNN and Morning Consult poles, and they haven't even properly incorporating the fallout from the DNC email leaks:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/po...oll/index.html

    Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%.
    https://morningconsult.com/2016/07/2...nvention-bump/

    In the national poll, conducted from July 22 through July 24, Donald Trump pulls ahead of Hillary Clinton by 4 points (44-40), a sizeable swing from the past week, when the former secretary of State was clinging to a 2-point lead.

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    Me in November:


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    I'll still be surprised if he wins. The bulk of the polls still favour Clinton, and he won't have a convention bounce in November.

    Lots of time though, so cockiness this early is a bit of a risky strategy. Does remind me the board in 2012, mind.

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