Hard hitting debate on the ever reliable channel 4 at the moment, between 2 people who completely agree that not enough black people are getting nominated. If only they could see the obvious - it's class, not race. Basically, what I want to know about all this right here, is what do you think of all this?
The Oscar itself is a person of colour. What more do they want?
The Oscars are already obsessed with identity politics. I don't care very much.
I blame David Oyelowo and his bang average film from last year for all this.
I think they should introduce the Rooney rule and make sure that at least one black nomination wins an award.
I hope Paul Ince has a good tux.
Already covered in the film thread, clowns.
oh NOES!!Originally Posted by Magic
Not by me
No one cares what you think.
Woof
I still can't believe the issue of latinos in Hollywood hasn't been brought up. Now there's an actual issue.
You mean like the current (and next) best director winner?
Maybe there is a career move in there for me, where do I make my outrage public?
It's still only Gael Garcia in terms of actors isn't it?
That's what I was getting at.
If you're Latino in Hollywood you get to play a criminal or a criminal who deals drugs.
What on earth is she like?
What's the problem?
That's certainly the case but you they can always choose to go elsewhere and do proper films. I don't think Hollywood owes us anything.
She's talking as though the Emancipation Proclamation never happened.
Absolute delusional nonsense.
Sorry, I meant the accurate portrayal of latinos.
Maybe, but in the context of this thread, where I don't think "people of colour" have been unfairly unrepresented, there's a very valid argument to say that Latinos are treated disgustingly by Hollywood. And no-one seems to give a shit about that.
Ah. To elaborate, she's basically spouting all the bullshit that will continue to drive and create a divide between white and black people even when there isn't one.Sorry, I meant the accurate portrayal of latinos.
She also comes across as completely touched. Her husband goosing Margot Robbie must have hit her hard.
Michael Pena is doing alright.
Sorry, I meant the accurate portrayal of latinos.
Even though he did come across as a complete tool when Simon Mayo interviewed him (and the DR king stuff really can do one), Oyelowo makes a much better account of his argument here.
With the point about white characters holding the black character's hand pretty bang on the money.
Luvvies gonna luv.
As Oyelowo himself cites, why do you give a shit about some tinpot awards when the biggest two hits at the box office currently both star black leading actors? Films with black actors are a) getting made and b) hugely popular, so I don't know why the uproar about some old farts at the Academy.
That idiot Smith bitch is clearly hamming that up. Imagine a white woman using 'us' and 'we' for her race.
Another obvious thing which nobody brings up - films are often based on histrorical events, either directly or partially. There weren't many heroic/tragic black figures in said historical events. This is baically akin to complaining about the vast over-representation of blacks in the NBA.
Wait, what?
The problem in Hollywood is not at the awards level, but at the casting level. There's any number of reasons for it, but it's no secret that casting directors are afraid to let non-white actors get meaty roles in big movies, because profit margins are slim even on blockbusters, the price of failure is very steep, and they're afraid that audiences won't see films starring non-white actors.
The ethnic distribution of the Oscar nominations is a symptom of wider issues in the casting of films (which is that it's difficult for non-white actors to get roles in which their ethnicity isn't plot-centric, and this is normally justified by financial reasons). It's not good, but I don't know how you'd go about fixing the situation either. However, it's important to see that there's clearly a problem there, even if you're not sure how to approach it.
I'm quite into black actors potentially playing characters who are historically white, unless whiteness is a key part of the character. Black Hamlet, black Henry VIII, bring them on.
White Othello could maybe work at a push, white Mandela doesn't work, white Shaun Goater in the Hollywood biopic about him could happen.
... Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.
Interestingly, I'm watching The Martian now and every genius and/or heroic, apart from the lead figure, is either an ethnic of a woman.
What's funny? It's especially the case at Oscars that films based on true events come to the fore.
That's historically accurate.
Is he suggesting every movie should just be white men only?
Proper closet queer.
I became convinced a while back that every TV court case has either a black woman judge or a black woman barrister. I was going to start keeping track of it, but I don't like any of you enough to bother.
The court case in series 2 of Broadchurch was quite incredible on that score. There must have been several meetings to orchestrate the quota led casting.
Every pub table in adverts has a black man sitting at it. One. Never two.
Are we allowed to say "coloured people/people of colour" or not? Because I've heard black people both using it and raging about it in equal measure.
Coloured is a definite no no, but personally I think "People of Colour" is a hateful phrase too.
I have a dream that one day it'll just be '"people".
How the fuck is 'coloured' any different from 'people of colour'
People be crazy.
People of Colour came up with 'people of colour' but people of colour didn't come up with 'coloured', white people did.
Like '-er' and '-a' I suppose.
I find myself wondering what that dick Ta-Nehisi Coates will have to say about this, but I daren't find out because I know I'll just end up staying awake seething about two hours later than I should. It'd be pleasant when I wake up from a dream where he gets punched to death, but it's just not worth it.
Since women are so rarely geniuses in the computing field I find it pretty laughable. Sometimes I think it's political correctness gone mad.
I hope you're not using 'queer' in the perjorative? And no, I'm not suggesting that.
Is he suggesting every movie should just be white men only?
Proper closet queer.
Harold's got a point about The Martian's diverse cast looking a bit forced.
I definitely clocked it on first viewing.
But given the protagonist is white, it still fits with Oyelowo's point.
When the minorities stop using it as excuse for not getting on in life, it may be. Meanwhile, I think I'll choose not to be lectured to by multi-millionaires whinging about their opportunities.
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