The state of this.Originally Posted by phonics
The state of this.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww SNAP.
It's not a right. It's just something that practically every other half-competently run nation has figured out is a good idea that benefits society as a whole.
Hang on, so if you have a kid on the Friday in America, you're back at your desk on the Monday?
We often confuse it for a civilised country.
If you have a kid on the Sunday night you're back at your desk on Monday, unless you can afford to take unpaid leave.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pres...-crowd-n710466
"Alternative facts"
...except that it makes women less attractive as potential hires for a job and thereby results in their relative disenfrachisement.
Rules of economics still apply, even if you have FEELINGS about EQUITY!
Minors can't give informed consent to enter labor contracts. It has NOTHING to do with government regulation or the free market, but enforcing simple principles of contract law.
So if that is true in isolation, it would mean the US should have significantly less of a wage gap than the rest of the world then?
The US does not have a wage gap, and has far less gender segregation in the workforce than its progressive empathetic European counterparts.
I'm sure there are 'alternative facts' to counter wherever you're going with that line of questioning.
It's going to be interesting seeing what happens when so many, if not half-wits, then people with interesting perceptions of the world, are put in charge of a country. If it was here the civil service would railroad them to oblivion, but I don't know if the US has that safety net (have that Montesquieu).
If those half-wits are so stupid, and the people they're replacing so smart, why did the latter group lose the election and monumentally fail across the board in achieving any of their stated policy goals over the last eight years?
It's almost like the 'smart' people are not only half-wits, but delusional on top of it.
http://reports.weforum.org/global-ge...2016/rankings/
I'm not saying they are stupid, per se, particularly not in terms of getting elected to public office or media management or whatever it is most of them do, more hypothesizing about where you take a country when your starting point is arguing about hand, sorry, crowd size.
I am quite sympathetic towards the idea of a Trump presidency, within reason. It will certainly benefit the UK.
Also, as regards those pay gap rankings, lol at 'straya, mates.
Trump voters are more educated and have higher median income than Hillary voters. You are wrong, it's that simple.
If you think the 'pay gap' is taking the median salary for women and dividing it by the median salary for men, you are a straight retard. The pay gap only exists if the genders do not receive equal pay for equal work.
I mean, this election was historic, not just in the result but the way it was fought. All throughout, traditional media was depicting Clinton as the victor. The polling did likewise. All the while Trump slings so much mud that the process itself can't come clean. By turning the election into a dangerous farce, he narrowed the gap and turned people on to actual change. For better or worse, Trump looks like an alternative to a sense of static, career politicians. He played it so well.
I have no idea about the veracity of those rankings, just the first thing that came up on google and a subject I have no interest in. Clicking through on some of the individual countries, some of the data/rankings look a bit.
Anecdotally, I've always thought the "DON'T TALK ABOUT SALARY" culture that pervades many industries is one derived from the US (as are so many of our modern norms), which always seems like a cover for unequal pay.
I'm just saying that if the US anti-family policies really do promote employment equality, then the US numbers should be measurably better than everyone else.
I'm not saying America's numbers are distinctly worse (they're in the lower half, but so are plenty of less regressive countries), but they're certainly not better. The hypothesis doesn't stand up to testing.
What numbers? America doesn't have a wage gap and often women are paid more than men with equal qualifications and experience. America has far less gender segregation in the workforce than Europe. All of this is also contextualized by the fact that American women are more conservative minded and more likely to stay at home or work part-time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38716714
First in front of the firing squad, please.
I wonder how much she has actually thought about it. I reckon she has had the maps out, but hasn't reached the explosives in the bath stage.
Heading back in a few hours. Hope the door isn't shut yet.
It's nice to have the right feigning outrage for a change.
Man of the people.
All this time and I still don't know what either Medicaid or Medicare are, nor do I have any interest in finding out.
*gets excited to explain*
*has a sad*
Is that based on the Ryan budget or what? There's certainly some tension between that and some of the infrastructure spending stuff that Trump has been going on about.
Aren't they energy drinks?
Like fuck are you... it's not like you can't use your PTO hours. Under the FMLA you're allowed 12 weeks of leave. You're covered under FMLA if you've worked for a year with the company. No one would really need to have the baby on a Friday and be back at work on a Sunday... I mean I guess unless they couldn't afford to have the baby they're having to begin with.
WHICH MIND YOU... The most expensive part of any pregnancy is the hospital care associated with the child... and here in the great STATE OF FLORIDA for example we will give full Medicaid benefits to any pregnant woman REGARDLESS IF SHE'S EVEN FROM THIS COUNTRY. If you're prego and you show up in America we will write off your charges at 100% under the state funded insurance plan that the taxpayers pay for. We call these instances "Emergency Medicaid".
So "you're welcome" potential mother ... since me, you, and the rest of the taxpayers will now probably have to support your offspring for the next 18-21 years since couldn't slip on a fucking condom. And even then, why should the cost of the pregnancy be put back onto the employer? It's not the employer's fault you couldn't use a condom. It's not the employer's fault you fucked some random guy who wants nothing to do with your pregnancy. It's not the employer's fault you thought he would stay with you if you got pregnant with his baby.
The left in this country has no time for planned pregnancies or planned families yet will go kicking and screaming because the Trump boys want to take away federal funding from Planned Parenthood, a private entity. Amazing. A private entity (poor companies!) should pay for unplanned pregnancies and the government should fund a private entity to help kill off unplanned pregnancies. If only there was something you could do to prevent having children... but also still have sex.... Maybe all of these government / private dollars should go into researching that.
Now mind you, given all of the free medical insurance the government will give any pregnant woman, it's not like these women sit and go "Damn, well I better go get a job cause this other shit is still pretty expensive!" No no no... they just apply for more benefits.
So what do we do? we give these same folks food stamp cards (paid thru the state) and WIC (Women, Infants, and Children) vouchers (paid thru the fed) so they don't have to pay a single cent for food. And on top of that, if you're really in such dire circumstances, they'll give you Section 8 housing. And if you STILL can't figure out how to take care of your child with the State giving you literally every single thing you and your child could possibly NEED, we, the taxpayers, have to fund even more programs to foster these children and hope that foster parents themselves will adopt the poor little fuckers.
So, to recap, through the fed/state govt... you can have your Medical, Food, and Housing all paid for.
Listen, I'm not saying it's a great system, it can certainly use some improvement, but this "aww poor girl just wanted to have a baby!!!" thing that's going on ITT is short-sighted.. There are so many programs for young mothers (not fathers, nobody gives a fuck about the fathers) in this country to help them with the cost of having children it's astounding that people would still complain.
Everyone wants a free ride and they want it under the guise of "my baby!" or "the government should pay for that!" My parents always wanted to have multiple children but they didn't, you know why, because they couldn't fucking afford it. Having a child is expensive. If you can't afford to have one, don't!
So no, nobody would have to have a baby on a Friday and go back to work on Sunday. That's an absurd evaluation.
But to be fair that certainly still happens but not at the rate the left would like you to think it does.
Fucking hell.
I like that your post starts with a strong statement of disagreement then by the end of the first paragraph you're making the same point I did.
Are the exorbitant costs associated with medical care in the US all an elaborate insurance/tax scam? By that, I mean, does anyone, other than insurance companies (or the government) pay the 'full cost' (ie the actual bill) for healthcare, or is most of it written off so losses can be claimed and tax avoided etc?
I don't even understand my own health insurance so I will avoid answering that question.
The Planned Parenthood 'issue' seems like the ideal test case for privatised socialism. Google informs me that it receives half a billion a year off the state. If everybody out marching stuck in a tenner, and if the likes of Madonna contributed according to her ability (arf), then you solve the problem.
The other half a billion it got from private donations so isn't it already doing that?
The insurance companies don't even pay close to the full cost. They all have contracts with the facilities and most of it gets written off.
It's ALLLLL a huge tax scam / racket and I could spend days lamenting the entire thing but I'll save it for a rant in the "Jobs" thread when it comes up.
Edit: Actually I ranted pretty big about that in that big post I referred to when I was talking about voting for Trump i.e. Obamacare being a huge scam in case one is so inclined.
In fairness I only really saw those couple of posts before I got #TRIGGERED so if you made the same point later on or before I apologize for wasting everyone's time.
Most people could add whatever they save thanks to the yuuuge tax cuts/winning-induced riches coming their way, and Madonna could sell a house. Easy.
At the end of the post you've quoted. If you can't afford to take unpaid leave, which will be the case for millions of people, you're back at your desk for the next working day.
Yesssssssss
Man of the people.
Too much logic, not sure Leftists can follow.
You reckon he'd sell us Maine, for the right price?
I'm taking a class on healthcare fraud...shit is OUTRAGEOUS.
Fun fact for the leftists, my teacher told me that to his knowledge, he has never come across any form of health care fraud involving private insurance, because it's so easy to defraud the government.
Naw they're white enough to flip Republican within the next few elections, so not worth. You can have the Central American Socialist State of California for free tho.
But then I talked about how that isn't really true either because there's tons of programs that will assist new mothers.
In the sense that "If you choose to ignore the benefits offered to you from both the State and Federal level and want to talk solely about income earned" you're entirely right. You would hypothetically have to earn a living just like everyone else. But that's not realistic.
My point is more I don't see how it's fair to make an argument for an expansion of pregnancy benefits given by employers whilst ignoring entirely the vast amount of benefits already available to all expectant/new mothers regardless of income or working status.
Not saying that's what you're doing but in essence I feel that's where a lot of the argument comes from.
Rhode Island and it's a deal.
California is one of the most beautiful places on the planet and you want Rhode Island thrown in too?
Deal is off.
Whenever US health care stuff comes up, I always think of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/commen..._after_he_was/
That's the thing about it though. The hospital/facilities know they can charge extra for these things because most of it either A) gets written off entirely, B ) is a drop in the bucket to said insurance, or C ) "The State" will pay for it.
But also keep in mind, it probably did cost more for them to be able to do this in the OR after a C-Section.... with regards to supplies needed, maybe they needed extra clinical staff in the room to assist with such a process given the C-Section.
Nurses don't come cheap either!
Edit: You know I'd actually bet that this happens in a lot of countries but because patients never receive "itemized bills" like they would here they have no idea what the actual charges are or what these things actually cost.
I genuinely couldn't imagine paying for healthcare. We really do take the NHS for granted here. I mean I pay like 20 quid once a year for dentist bills and I have the odd prescription at (what is it again?) 8 quid.
I was fuming a few years back when I had to pay 50 quid for some dental work.
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