One is directly a crime against a sovereign government, the other is a crime against an entity who doesn't actually have any real power whatsoever.Originally Posted by mokbull
You asked what's the difference, I'm pretty sure there's a big difference.
The liberals floundering trying to find excuses as to why they couldn't defeat the worst Presidential nominee in any of their lifetimes has almost been as good as watching Podesta have to go tell people at the victory party to go home for the night.
Let me go on record saying "When in doubt blame Russia" was 2016's best meme, sorry Pepe.
What I reckon is the most important part of that article.
The releases were clearly timed to influence things.In addition to what Guccifer 2.0 published on his site, he provided material directly on request to some bloggers and publications. The steady flow of Guccifer 2.0 documents constantly undercut Democratic messaging efforts. On July 6, 12 days before the Republican National Convention began in Cleveland, Guccifer released the D.N.C.’s battle plan and budget for countering it. For Republican operatives, it was insider gold.
Then WikiLeaks, a far more established outlet, began to publish the hacked material — just as Guccifer 2.0 had promised. On July 22, three days before the start of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, WikiLeaks dumped out 44,053 D.N.C. emails with 17,761 attachments. Some of the messages made clear that some D.N.C. officials favored Mrs. Clinton over her progressive challenger, Mr. Sanders.
That was no shock; Mr. Sanders, after all, had been an independent socialist, not a Democrat, during his long career in Congress, while Mrs. Clinton had been one of the party’s stars for decades. But the emails, some of them crude or insulting, infuriated Sanders delegates as they arrived in Philadelphia. Ms. Wasserman Schultz resigned under pressure on the eve of the convention where she had planned to preside.
Mr. Trump, by now the Republican nominee, expressed delight at the continuing jolts to his opponent, and he began to use Twitter and his stump speeches to highlight the WikiLeaks releases. On July 25, he sent out a lighthearted tweet: “The new joke in town,” he wrote, “is that Russia leaked the disastrous D.N.C. e-mails, which should never have been written (stupid), because Putin likes me.”
But WikiLeaks was far from finished. On Oct. 7, a month before the election, the site began the serial publication of thousands of private emails to and from Mr. Podesta, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager.
The same day, the United States formally accused the Russian government of being behind the hackings, in a joint statement by the director of national intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security, and Mr. Trump suffered his worst blow to date, with the release of a recording in which he bragged about sexually assaulting women.
The Podesta emails were nowhere near as sensational as the Trump video. But, released by WikiLeaks day after day over the last month of the campaign, they provided material for countless news reports. They disclosed the contents of Mrs. Clinton’s speeches to large banks, which she had refused to release. They exposed tensions inside the campaign, including disagreements over donations to the Clinton Foundation that staff members thought might look bad for the candidate and Ms. Tanden’s complaint that Mrs. Clinton’s instincts were “suboptimal.”
“I was just mortified,” Ms. Tanden said in an interview. Her emails were released on the eve of one of the presidential debates, she recalled. “I put my hands over my head and said, ‘I can’t believe this is happening to me.’” Though she had regularly appeared on television to support Mrs. Clinton, she canceled her appearances because all the questions were about what she had said in the emails.
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Ms. Tanden, like other Democrats whose messages became public, said it was obvious to her that WikiLeaks was trying its best to damage the Clinton campaign. “If you care about transparency, you put all the emails out at once,” she said. “But they wanted to hurt her. So they put them out 1,800 to 3,000 a day.”
The Trump campaign knew in advance about WikiLeaks’ plans. Days before the Podesta email release began, Roger Stone, a Republican operative working with the Trump campaign, sent out an excited tweet about what was coming.
That's the argument the Republicans will use because it's convenient for their interests. But in the end they achieve the same thing, and the reaction really shouldn't be any different
So? Both sides do this literally all the time. It's called oppo. The Clinton campaign put out the Grab My Pussy tape right before a debate. They tried to pay a guy 5 million bucks to release a tape of Donald Trump calling someone the n word. You can't recall an election because people were more informed. It's a ridiculous premise.
Neera Tanden is also a terrible, awful shill.
I'm confused. All "THE RUSSIANZ" did was give the American people an in-depth behind-the-scenes look into a special interest group.
They didn't make anything up. It was carbon copy information.
If anything is convenient it's the fact liberals are upset that the DNC was exposed for basically running a sophisticated propaganda machine with the MSM and have turned to using Cold War fear tactics and "BUT GUYSM WAIT THEY'RE THE ONES WITH THE FAKE NEWS" to make all their special little snowflakes feel better about their immense failures at best, sabotaging the new administration at worse.
Nevermind the Obama administration, the pseudo "gold standard" of government to these liberal fucktards, was caught spying on actual government entities. Which isn't to say other administrations hadn't done it. Everyone spies on everyone, that much is obvious. But for them to come out now and RAWR THE RUSSIANS DID THIS TO US is pretty fucking rich.
These dickheads are going out scorched earth style, doing everything they can to create problems for the Trump administration, but hey let's get mad at "THE RUSSIANZ" for providing us with proof of their corruption in bold faced type. A far cry from "President Bush was so great in transition, I hope to be the same for President-elect Trump."
Look, at the end of the day, there is one thing we can all agree on.
Bernie would have won.
And the DNC fucked Bernie. They literally fucked their only chance of winning by schilling for Hillary.
Hilarious.
Phonics has nailed this. In a properly objective way too.
Interspersing text with RANDOM CAPITALS really helps sell the message behind it tbh. I don't know who to believe.
+1
Bruhnaldo also donned mokbull. Good (not really) stuff everyone.
I'd like to disperse my ideas from Bruh because I don't quite agree with them but thanks for the plus ones.
lol at President Trump donning the mighty Ford Motor Company via Twitter.
A few seethes have already been spotted in Mexico.
Wait until they get invoiced for The Wall.
I guess this is the rise in hate crimes the media was referring to in the wake of Trumps election:
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen...0L&sh=e8a111a4
Police say they won't get charged with a hate crime due to lack of evidence. Anyways, I won't comment further due to my recent banning, the video speaks for itself.
You get your news from reddit? Is that where you're getting your law schooling as well?
"10 weird LAW FACTS The White House doesn't want you to know!"
Mert is the new and improved Harold
Reddit isn't Buzzfeed. It's pretty reliable.
I'll wait, there's been a series of false stories about this stuff from both sides.
Yeah, it depends which subreddit, but ultimately the comments will be full of scrutiny so its normally reliable.
Like when they caught those Boston bombers. Oh wait...
The problem with Reddit is the same thing as newspapers. If you don't know the subject that well, you think it's quite interesting insight. Then something comes up that crosses your expertise and you realize that everything they're saying is wrong.
The worst time that can happen is documentaries. There was this incredibly highly rated documentary about the rise of the Afghan cricket team that came out a few years ago, so I watched it only to find that about 60% of what they were claiming to depict was complete and total bullshit or spin to make it a more dramatic narrative.
Well, yeah, there is a problem these days that you can back up pretty much any opinion with articles because everybody is writing. Its a lot of effort to properly verify a claim, so ultimately you're not going to bother nine times out of ten. Then consider that media outlets are mostly pushing biased narratives and it really is easier to just block out everything that isn't directly related to you. I tend to just assume people are lying these days, which is a shame, because I was told a story about a guy related to Phil Collins, who was also called Phil Collins, that was arrested in South America for drug-related crimes and the famous Phil Collins won't pay his bail. I told the guy I didn't believe him, but it was a great story. The next day I Googled it and it turns out it was true.
The video is being reported on by every major news outlet. Baffling response.
I thought they were all big ol' liars that couldn't be trusted?
Why is it even in this thread, we have one for news.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-donald-trumpRussian president Vladimir Putin interfered in the US presidential election to aid Donald Trump, according to a declassified assessment by the NSA, CIA and FBI.
“Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump,” the agencies found in a long-awaited report that stands to hang over the head of the incoming Trump administration.
Once all these KGB thugs die off, Russia is going to be a seriously useless country.
It's pretty unprecedented for a country to have a 'clear preference' in an election that has nothing to do with them, let alone to attempt to influence it. Hopefully this puts Russia at the back of the queue as far as favourable treatment goes.
Agent Barack, with his union jack
I'll just leave this here:
Good for him.
It's completely unverifiable unless someone high up never wants to work again but a President firing off 5 tweets about how he never got pissed on by a Russian hooker is going to be one of the highlights of the decade.
Yeah, verification is never gonna happen, but I can still laugh at the fact that the stuff above was in intelligence briefings given to both Trump and Obama.
"Hey Barack... So... We have a Brit saying that Donald hired some prozzies to piss on the bed you and Michelle used in Moscow."Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago.
Other stuff in the report Buzzfeed (lol) released is more interesting though:
Given the changes to the platform at the RNC. Entirely possible that it's an after-construction I guess.
That doesn't even make sense. Why would someone do that after the Obama's had been there and get a thrill from it.
And it's a high class Russian hotel room, there'll have been filthy shit going on there wall to wall, for decades.
So yeah, the individual memos have been going around for a while. I guess Buzzfeed just said "fuck it" and dropped it all.Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe 11m11 minutes ago
Okay, fellow journalists, raise your hand if you too were approached with this story. (I was.)
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe 9m9 minutes ago
@mathewi Because it was impossible to verify. (I tried.)
Sounds a bit dead cat on table to me.
My guess is that sitting on all of this unverified stuff was distracting them from campaigning against 'fake news'.
Why would Trump see any of this as compromising, after all the other compromising shit didn't land?
You have no idea how perverts work. Even just seeing the bed would be enough to set me off.
This is a man who didn't care about being exposed as wanting to 'grab that pussy' or whatever it was. Why would he care about being a pervert in a Russian hotel room? (or in other words, being in a Russian hotel room).
The guy breezed past a video of himself condoning sexual assault, this feels like another thing that would be career ending for someone else but is just more (golden) water under the bridge for him.
This is no longer a breath of fresh air, lolworthy or a break from the norm of boring politics.
This press conference.
The bloke can't express himself. It is agonising watching him speak.
It's really agonising, really is. Really is very agonising.
He's a moran.
Marco Rubio giving it the big'un is pretty lol. You want to be careful chucking around terms like 'war criminal', lad.
I don't think his useless opponents have yet discovered that the only way to beat Trump is on his own terms. That is: definitive proof either that he isn't that rich, or that he has a tiny cock.
This is genuinely terrifying.
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