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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Which of these do you think he'll enact?

    1. ‘Build a wall’ — and make Mexico pay for it
    2. Temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States
    3. ‘Bring manufacturing (jobs) back’
    4. Impose tariffs on goods made in China and Mexico
    5. Renegotiate or withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement and Trans-Pacific Partnership
    6. ‘Full repeal of Obamacare’ and replace it with a market-based alternative
    7. Renegotiate the Iran deal
    8. Leave Social Security as is
    9. His tax plan
    10. ‘Bomb’ and/or ‘take the oil’ from ISIS
    6 is probably the only one that he'll just be able to fully enact as is. I'd say that a revised, more compromising (is that a word?) version of most of the rest should be able to be put into action especially with a red Congress.

    The ISIS one, doubtful, it all depends on how the situation develops there, is it even going to be up to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Where did you see that?
    On a bar chart somewhere. It also said that 7% of Republicans voted Clinton, and that the Lib Dems are winning here.

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    https://www.facebook.com/julian.schw...1688007904807/

    His face really is perfect for this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    On a bar chart somewhere. It also said that 7% of Republicans voted Clinton, and that the Lib Dems are winning here.
    Must be all those Bernie bros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    From one of the biggest bellends I went to uni with:



    Get fucked, mate.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I think the one thing this election has shown is that the one way to defeat politicians like Trump is for comedians to slate them.

    John Oliver should be on the first boat back to England.
    Malcolm Gladwell had a good episode about this on his podcast 'Revisionist History'. Satire is useless, people just see what they already believe in it.

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    So how about that Mert guy eh? Guess he really does know America?

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    Shame that he buckled under pressure during crunchtime.

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    Sky told me that disgraced former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was speaking at half three. Yet another lie. Is it any wonder she lost?

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    I reckon she's just milking that motorcade for all it's worth like a rented suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Shame that he cuckled under pressure during crunchtime.
    ftfy

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    Peas in a pod

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    Margaret Beckett is having a whopper of a seethe on Sky News.

    EDIT: She's claiming that Republicans/conservatives divide the country because they only watch certain news channels and don't (or refuse to) engage with alternative viewpoints. Have a nap, love.

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    Amazed I haven't seen any 9/11 comparisons, or are Americans too entrenched in their shit date format to notice?

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    lol at this twat making her out to have been some sort of underdog.

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    It sounded like she said 'freedom of warship'.

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    Bill crying. Perv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elth View Post
    "We hate Muslims, we hate blacks, we want our country back" being chanted at a Trump rally allegedly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    That tweet is fake.
    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    That's pure invention from a parody Twitter account.
    Look at the re-Tweets. Simon Rowntree.

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    Any other links for the concession speech?

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    I am still with you Hillary. I always will be. I am so sorry that you had to concede to a man who has done nothing but demean you and call you horrible names. A man who has no experience in comparison to your 30+ years of hard work and dedication to this country. I find some solace in knowing that you won the popular vote for in a true democracy that would mean you would be the next president, but we in fact do not live in a true democracy and we are heading even farther off the path. God help us.

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    Cannot wait till Hillary is in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    your 30+ years of hard work and dedication to this country
    She's hardly Gandhi for fuck sake. She's a multi-millionaire as a result of being at best a politician and at worse the former first lady.

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    Fair play, @Mert.

    I know there will be comparisons to the Brexit vote, but 11 of the last 23 polls had Leave winning against a backdrop of long-held Eurosceptic views. There's been literally no indication from tracking polls, early exit polling, or early vote analysis to suggest this was going to happen. Obama has a high approval rating (mid-fifties) and the economy is going well - therefore you'd expect more acquiescence in a 'third term' - whilst you're running against the most unpopular candidate ever. He also had one (literally one) media endorsement worth anything. It's a huge upset against conventional wisdom.

    It's a serious blow to the Obama legacy, such as it will be, as I suspect his executive orders / Obamacare could be repealed quite quickly.

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    Mostly it shows just how shit she is.

    Also, mert seemed to bring a new poll showing Trump ahead every single week.

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    Lol at 'to all young women: I am honored to be your champion.' Are these the same 'young women' who where voting for Bernie ahead of you by a wide margin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Mostly it shows just how shit she is.

    Also, mert seemed to bring a new poll showing Trump ahead every single week.
    There was a certain element of hubris in Clinton's nomination ("it's my fucking turn"), which doesn't really sit very well irrespective of who you wanted to win. That said, she is a fairly lacklustre campaigner and has struggled to close campaigns out (2008, primaries and now this).

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    Fair play to mert. I'm not massively up on US politics but from what I've read this will potentially see the most major changes in a decade now that the Senate and Congress are no longer deadlocked? Especially if the SCOTUS is stacked as predicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty View Post
    Fair play to mert. I'm not massively up on US politics but from what I've read this will potentially see the most major changes in a decade now that the Senate and Congress are no longer deadlocked? Especially if the SCOTUS is stacked as predicted.
    America is saved for at least my children's generation, that's how big it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    Fair play, @Mert.

    I know there will be comparisons to the Brexit vote, but 11 of the last 23 polls had Leave winning against a backdrop of long-held Eurosceptic views. There's been literally no indication from tracking polls, early exit polling, or early vote analysis to suggest this was going to happen. Obama has a high approval rating (mid-fifties) and the economy is going well - therefore you'd expect more acquiescence in a 'third term' - whilst you're running against the most unpopular candidate ever. He also had one (literally one) media endorsement worth anything. It's a huge upset against conventional wisdom.

    It's a serious blow to the Obama legacy, such as it will be, as I suspect his executive orders / Obamacare could be repealed quite quickly.
    It's because the polls were biased as was the media in an attempt to sway the vote. It was open dishonesty.

    The reality was per RCP the aggregate polls showed Clinton winning 272-266; and only winning 2-3 states by less than 2 points. It was actually not that big of a miss except for Wisconsin.

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    I don't buy that the polls were biased - these pollsters have no credibility if their predictions aren't there or thereabouts. Putting yourself out of business through deliberate bias in polling strikes me as a somewhat risky business model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Lol at 'to all young women: I am honored to be your champion.' Are these the same 'young women' who where voting for Bernie ahead of you by a wide margin?
    I thought the 'glass ceiling' stuff was particularly embarrassing. You raised seven-hundred million dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I don't buy that the polls were biased - these pollsters have no credibility if their predictions aren't there or thereabouts. Putting yourself out of business through deliberate bias in polling strikes me as a somewhat risky business model.
    You could say the same thing about the mainstream media who are expected to provide objective unbiased coverage. These people are liars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    It gets better. President Trump got two million less votes than Mitt Romney, but she lost almost seven million 2012 Democrat voters. How hated and shit do you have to be for that many people not to bother when the alternative is being rammed down their throats as the worst thing ever?
    I think the ramming down the throats thing (much like Brexit) was also a big contributing factor. People don't want to be told that something is shit and they're making a MASSIVE mistake voting for it, they want to work that out for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    You could say the same thing about the mainstream media who are expected to provide objective unbiased coverage. These people are liars.
    The media in America have no requirement to provide objective unbiased coverage. I'd rather they did, but they clearly don't and they deliberately appeal directly to certain demographics for financial (or ideological) reasons.

    The polling was simply wrong.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/membersh...ent-journalism

    The Guardian don't miss a trick, do they?

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    I actually thought Trump's 'acceptance' speech was very dignified and borderline quite good.

    While Hillary was banging on about fighting for what is 'right', Trump's nailing her again through handing out Olive branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/membersh...ent-journalism

    The Guardian don't miss a trick, do they?
    I can never decide which is worse between those appeals and the adverts for hundred quid 'masterclasses' for bloggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I actually thought Trump's 'acceptance' speech was very dignified and borderline quite good.
    Yeah, I thought so too. At least when he just stuck to what was on the autocue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Amazed I haven't seen any 9/11 comparisons, or are Americans too entrenched in their shit date format to notice?
    *checks the date*

    Holy shit!
    I'm a twit

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    I've seen 9/11 11/9 comparisons on facebook comments, as expected.

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    It was also another victory for Bellwether Yevrah, of course. 100% hit rate.

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    Brief cross-section of my Facebook feed this morning:

    It's going to be okay. It has to be
    I'm angry so get used to the political stuff
    Welcome to the United States of Las Vegas.
    HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
    There's always a silver lining.
    i've never had my flabbers so gasted
    Oh, that last one was Panda.

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    Oh yeah forgot we did that during BREXIT. I'll post up some tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    The media in America have no requirement to provide objective unbiased coverage. I'd rather they did, but they clearly don't and they deliberately appeal directly to certain demographics for financial (or ideological) reasons.

    The polling was simply wrong.
    No your perception of the polling was wrong. In fact Colorado, Nevada and New Hampshire under performed for Trump according to the polls. I was posting polls that Trump was winning PA and MI and it was always close leaning Trump in FL, NC, OH, IA, and he did. It wasn't a surprise (except for Wisconsin), really, people just refused to accept the reality.

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