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    I also realize it's not that easy at all, but maybe if these leaders had to actually answer to their own people it would start political uprising in those very countries' and help kickstart the rebuilding of those countries themselves.
    You really think America doing less for immigrants will achieve the above, @bruhnaldo?

    On point 3, what has made you think Trump will improve healthcare? (Genuine question, I'm pretty ignorant of the situation.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    You seem to say stuff along those lines quite a lot (that the non-Europeans are the shit ones). I can understand that argument from a culture perspective but has there been any research done on economic benefit by country of origin or similar?
    That University College London report in 2014, which everybody (including the university) loved because it said Europeans added more than they took out, also concluded that non-EEA bods cost us loads. Natives also cost us loads, but PISS OFF WE'RE FULL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    Just on point 1 Bruh, the US isn't anywhere near taking the lead on accepting refugees. In absolute numbers they aren't in the top 10, in % of population they aren't in the top 60 or something.
    I'm not arguing here - you made your decision - just wanted to point this out.
    Nah you're 100% right, I just feel like Hillary would open up that pipeline more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    There is also zero connection between refugees and the veterans situation, but whatever.
    Funding. Everything costs money. I probably should've made them two separate points but my overlying point was the money spent could be better spent elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    ftfy.
    You're certainly entitled to your opinion though I will say I've never once claimed to be an expert in politics or anything. I was just being open and honest about my selection. Thought it could drum up some conversation and I think it did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Your veterans are on street corners because you live in the West's most callous society. If you want to abide by the sink-or-swim mentality that underpins the whole of American life, then unfortunately veterans are going to suffer the consequences of that. It's not a separate issue to, say, healthcare, it's all part of the same thing. Or at least that's my outsider's perspective.
    Very valid, thank you for taking the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Taking care of people instead of letting them take care of themselves? That sounds like socialism.
    Taking care of veterans who risk their lives for our country isn't exactly giving handouts to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who asks for one.

    This country should do more for it's veterans before it takes care of another country's poor. Maybe that's misguided, maybe that's wrong. I don't know.

    I'd rather open my opinion up for discussion, get opposing viewpoints, take in that information, and then form new, better informed opinions. I think that's the only way you really learn.

    Thanks for those who took the time to discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    You really think America doing less for immigrants will achieve the above, @bruhnaldo?

    On point 3, what has made you think Trump will improve healthcare? (Genuine question, I'm pretty ignorant of the situation.)
    1. I sincerely doubt it.

    2. Hillary loves Obamacare and Trump wants to repeal it. Mind you, Trump hasn't shared any kind've plan in which to improve the healthcare system, but expanding/continuing Obamacare is def. not the answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vim View Post
    Bruh what state are you in?
    Florida

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    That University College London report in 2014, which everybody (including the university) loved because it said Europeans added more than they took out, also concluded that non-EEA bods cost us loads. Natives also cost us loads, but PISS OFF WE'RE FULL.
    Interesting. I didn't think it'd be that much different since within the EU anyone can come in whereas I assumed it'd be more difficult to get in from outside.

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    Trumps lawyers have tried to get the early vote of Nevada thrown out in a really embarrassing attempt. The judge is taking a giant shit on them.

    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/breaking-live-news

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    Disagreeing with something because the money would be better spent elsewhere is the shittest argument possible.

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    I also realize it's not that easy at all, but maybe if these leaders had to actually answer to their own people it would start political uprising in those very countries' and help kickstart the rebuilding of those countries themselves.
    Political uprising in those countries is why we have the refugees in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamski View Post
    It does if you're supporting someone who wants to ban all immigrants...
    Does he want to ban all immigrants?

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    Linking Huff Post is basicallly like linking Breitbart.

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    This is SO good. It's like a real life episode of The Good Wife

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Disagreeing with something because the money would be better spent elsewhere is the shittest argument possible.
    I kinda feel like my argument was more it being the government's responsibility to govern and worry about it's own people first and foremost. thereby using available funds for the people already in this country, and then, if we can afford to, expand our humanitarian efforts. Again, maybe that's misguided or a bit fanatical for lack of a better word.

    I concede you can't exactly say "ok, everyone else just hold on while we figure this other shit out". The world doesn't work that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    Political uprising in those countries is why we have the refugees in the first place.
    This is valid but it's not the only reason people emigrate to America. But you do have a very valid point.

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    I take it back. There's a serious lack of 'OBJECTION!' 'Sustained' but apart from that. It's great.

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    Have you seen Twitter?

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    Part of me wishes Hilary didn't rise to any of Trump's bullshit from the start. It's all gone a bit Attitude Era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    Bruh was talking about legal immigration, though. He was talking about refugees from war-torn countries, virtually all of which are legal immigrants, surely. It's not like some Syrian is going to be hopping the fence.

    To your second point, obviously you can argue it on cultural grounds, whether it's ok that people in Minnesota are getting scared of Somalis. That's got to be one of the biggest differences between Trump and Clinton supporters: whether (legal) immigration is inherently a good thing for the country or not.
    Not all legal immigration is created equal. Why take shitty immigrants who hurt our economy and are culturally incompatible with our values? Fucking why?

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    'Your values' are not a thing.

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    Culturally incompatible? People move for financial reasons. Ask your Dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    'Your values' are not a thing.
    They are outside of multicultural liberal cesspools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    Culturally incompatible? People move for financial reasons. Ask your Dad.
    My family moved for cultural / religious / ethnic reasons as much as financial considerations. Both of their families are very well off and many of their classmates were very successful.

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    Who's family doesn't move for all of those reasons?

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    Ethnic reasons.

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    Just came across this-


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    It's not going to happen but it'll be pretty lol if Trump wins.

    We'd be talking Brexitx10 levels of shitstorm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
    It's not going to happen but it'll be pretty lol if Trump wins.

    We'd be talking Brexitx10 levels of shitstorm.
    My head says I shouldn't want him to win but part of me also just wants it for the comedy factor.

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    Clinton winning is just too boring.

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    I think I desperately want Trump to win now. Like, desperately. I actually think he may well be the lesser of two evils.

    Also the fact these absolute cunt libtard European leaders hate him makes me even more

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    You need boredom in politics. Seriously.

    "Man, this Brexit sure is exciting." Is what the crowds say as they go to France on a marmite run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd View Post
    My head says I shouldn't want him to win but part of me also just wants it for the comedy factor.
    I get this. I'd definitely not want him to win, obviously, but I can't help but feel slightly intrigued by what the hell would actually happen (supposing he doesn't go off and start a war with someone, which I'm loath to believe he will anyway).

    It's a bit like how you don't really feel you should at least make an effort to be smelling your own farts, but you kinda do anyway because it just feels weird if you fart and then not smell it, you're curious which smell it was that particular time, you know?

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    Top analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd View Post
    Top analogy.
    He might become president on that though.

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    I genuinely do want Trump to win. Clinton would be boring as shit and fuck market stability. Bring the lulz.

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    For someone that thick I imagine it's a reflex to have a peek at what someone else is putting when asked any sort of question.

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    Coral are doing a 25/1 offer on Clinton to win for new customers.

    Maximum bet is a quid but you can get £25 out of it. You get it back as credit too, but you can easily turn that into proper cash by sticking half each on black and red on the roulette table.

    Advertised here: http://www.oddschecker.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    That's not an official licensed hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    For someone that thick I imagine it's a reflex to have a peek at what someone else is putting when asked any sort of question.
    Police Scotland clerical assistant living in a tiny flat in Drumchapel vs billionaire and next president of the most powerful country on earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    That was my link on the last page you plum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Police Scotland clerical assistant living in a tiny flat in Drumchapel vs billionaire and next president of the most powerful country on earth?
    Worse than that. Pollok mate.

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    Pollok > The Drum.

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    I've repeatedly asked my friend to get me one of those red hats, but he keeps letting me down and claiming he's busy with his divorce. More like you don't want your pussy liberal mates seeing you with one, you fat mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    I've repeatedly asked my friend to get me one of those red hats, but he keeps letting me down and claiming he's busy with his divorce. More like you don't want your pussy liberal mates seeing you with one, you fat mess.
    I wore my hat to class today because I'm no cuck.

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    If it's a landslide then around 4am real time.

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    This is ridiculous. First our own shitty elections are announced through the night and now Muricas? Bastards.

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    5am, then. Then immediately disputed at 5.01.

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    If Trump wins I'll buy the 'Make America Great Again' caps for myself and Pepe and I'll ship one to Lewis. Bants.

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