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    Dimbleby should have gone out to pasture and been replaced by Brillo years ago.

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    Andrew Neil. Righto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    I disagree. The single biggest game-changer in terms of the post-convention running percentages was the first debate. That was 100% just Trump being Trump. That was the point where he was judged on his temperament, his policy, and his communication.
    I honestly think if Trump had delivered a Pence like performance in that first debate, he might have been cruising to victory right now. He was just bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
    Who's brillo?
    Andrew Neil.

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    As Hammer only just discovered the nickname and Kiko appears to have been aware of it for some time I wonder if anyone has a picture that might demonstrate such a disparity in time or even perhaps age?

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    Democracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    I disagree. The single biggest game-changer in terms of the post-convention running percentages was the first debate. That was 100% just Trump being Trump. That was the point where he was judged on his temperament, his policy, and his communication.
    Wait, so you're saying the American people were actually making some fairly normal judgement calls? I'm not buying that.

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    I wonder if we'll see a lot of write-ins for Cruz, Kasich, Romney, etc.

    About to go and vote.

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    Voted this morning, was relatively easy and painless. I did, however, skip president, go do the entire rest of the ballot, and then spend 20 minutes staring at president though before finally locking in a selection. At that point, I went home, cried in the shower because of how stupid our country is, then went on about my day.

    All and all a great morning.

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    Trump getting booed in his own polling place as he turns up to vote

    I know he's never been a politician and Clinton is from there too but what's the record for a Presidential Nominee losing his home state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruhnaldo View Post
    Voted this morning, was relatively easy and painless. I did, however, skip president, go do the entire rest of the ballot, and then spend 20 minutes staring at president though before finally locking in a selection. At that point, I went home, cried in the shower because of how stupid our country is, then went on about my day.

    All and all a great morning.
    Clinton?

    I envy you, your vote counts a fuckton.

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    Did you do your civic duty and vote for Evan, Spoons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post


    Democracy!
    Did they only count the Romney vote because there where only 8 votes so why not? Or do they actually count the write ins?

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    Trump's going to win.

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    I did see the BBC have recorded much closer polling for Clinton in Colorado, which was seen to be a bit of a banker for her.

    I fear the unthinkable may be about to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Trump's going to win.

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    Can't imagine a person that suits the role of President of the US of A better than Trump. Maybe Hulk Hogan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    I did see the BBC have recorded much closer polling for Clinton in Colorado, which was seen to be a bit of a banker for her.

    I fear the unthinkable may be about to happen.
    I mean, it still has her up by almost 3%

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokbull View Post
    I mean, it still has her up by almost 3%
    Yeah but if a home banker is now only a 3% win, then a similar swing elsewhere will see states like Florida and North Carolina going to Trump.

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    This is the only fucking thread that'll be posted in until about Friday won't it?

    And we only have around four Americans here anyway. What's the big deal for everyone else or is it just comedy value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    Clinton?

    I envy you, your vote counts a fuckton.
    Honestly I did end up going with Trump but it honestly wasn't easy at all.

    I have found myself seriously considering Hillary in recent weeks because she does have a pretty good record when it comes to caring about children and families in general. But that was the best I could do when it came up with reasons to vote FOR her.

    I kept coming back to "But can I really vote for Donald Trump?"

    The reasons I ended up voting for Trump are:

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    tl;dr:

    1. Immigration / Doing more for our Vets
    2. Jobs
    3. Healthcare
    4. Abortion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    If Trump wins

    I won't be able to stop lolling at all the tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    If Trump wins

    I won't be able to stop lolling at all the tears.
    The smugness if she wins though.

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    Just on point 1 Bruh, the US isn't anywhere near taking the lead on accepting refugees. In absolute numbers they aren't in the top 10, in % of population they aren't in the top 60 or something.
    I'm not arguing here - you made your decision - just wanted to point this out.

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    There is also zero connection between refugees and the veterans situation, but whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruhnaldo View Post
    honestly i did end up going with trump but it honestly wasn't easy at all.

    i have found myself seriously considering hillary in recent weeks because she does have a pretty good record when it comes to caring about children and families in general. But that was the best i could do when it came up with reasons to vote for her.

    I kept coming back to "but can i really vote for donald trump?"

    the reasons i ended up voting for trump are:

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    1. Immigration / doing more for our vets
    2. Jobs
    3. Healthcare
    4. Abortion
    ftfy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruhnaldo View Post
    Honestly I did end up going with Trump but it honestly wasn't easy at all.

    I have found myself seriously considering Hillary in recent weeks because she does have a pretty good record when it comes to caring about children and families in general. But that was the best I could do when it came up with reasons to vote FOR her.

    I kept coming back to "But can I really vote for Donald Trump?"

    The reasons I ended up voting for Trump are:

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    tl;dr:

    1. Immigration / Doing more for our Vets
    2. Jobs
    3. Healthcare
    4. Abortion
    Great post. It was really nice (maybe inspiring no homo) to see an American think like a clear-eyed American even though I'd disagree with some of your interpretations. I'm glad you decided Trump in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    ftfy.
    That's rude. I vehemently disagree with Bruh and think he's wrong on most points but stuff like the above is exactly why anyone left of Cameron comes across as a complete cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    That's rude. I vehemently disagree with Bruh and think he's wrong on most points but stuff like the above is exactly why anyone left of Cameron comes across as a complete cunt.

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    Your veterans are on street corners because you live in the West's most callous society. If you want to abide by the sink-or-swim mentality that underpins the whole of American life, then unfortunately veterans are going to suffer the consequences of that. It's not a separate issue to, say, healthcare, it's all part of the same thing. Or at least that's my outsider's perspective.

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    4Chan has been fun too, a couple highlights





    while we're here, lets have some more fuckery


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    Fuck off Phonics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Your veterans are on street corners because you live in the West's most callous society. If you want to abide by the sink-or-swim mentality that underpins the whole of American life, then unfortunately veterans are going to suffer the consequences of that. It's not a separate issue to, say, healthcare, it's all part of the same thing. Or at least that's my outsider's perspective.
    If we spent less money on foreign wars and taking care of low skilled illegal and legal immigrants form the third world, then we could spend more resources on taking care of our veterans and, combined with Trump's stance on trade and regulations/taxation, providing them with jobs. That's what Bruh's point was.

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    Taking care of people instead of letting them take care of themselves? That sounds like socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Taking care of people instead of letting them take care of themselves? That sounds like socialism.
    Are you some student politics idiot or can there be a middle ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    If we spent less money on foreign wars and taking care of low skilled illegal and legal immigrants form the third world, then we could spend more resources on taking care of our veterans and, combined with Trump's stance on trade and regulations/taxation, providing them with jobs. That's what Bruh's point was.
    You wouldn't though.

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    I thought it was pretty established that legal immigration is a net benefit for the economy, or at least breaks even?

    The argument Bruh should have made is that Hillary is more likely to get us involved in another war which will lead to more veterans.

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    Some sort of third way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamski View Post
    You wouldn't though.
    I wouldn't, but Bruh would and there's reason to suggest Trump would too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    I thought it was pretty established that legal immigration is a net benefit for the economy, or at least breaks even?

    The argument Bruh should have made is that Hillary is more likely to get us involved in another war which will lead to more veterans.
    LEGAL immigration. And also net benefit to economy (debatable) =/= net benefit to native born Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Are you some student politics idiot or can there be a middle ground?
    I was making fun of Mert, you gimp.

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    Over here the average European immigrant is beneficial (more likely to have a degree and that), and I'm sure you don't get many Americans in council houses, but the third world mob are a massive drain. It's always a pointless talking about the economics of 'immigration' as a whole, but I suppose nobody would want to follow the logic to the obvious conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    LEGAL immigration. And also net benefit to economy (debatable) =/= net benefit to native born Americans.
    Bruh was talking about legal immigration, though. He was talking about refugees from war-torn countries, virtually all of which are legal immigrants, surely. It's not like some Syrian is going to be hopping the fence.

    To your second point, obviously you can argue it on cultural grounds, whether it's ok that people in Minnesota are getting scared of Somalis. That's got to be one of the biggest differences between Trump and Clinton supporters: whether (legal) immigration is inherently a good thing for the country or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Over here the average European immigrant is beneficial (more likely to have a degree and that), and I'm sure you don't get many Americans in council houses, but the third world mob are a massive drain. It's always a pointless talking about the economics of 'immigration' as a whole, but I suppose nobody would want to follow the logic to the obvious conclusions.
    You seem to say stuff along those lines quite a lot (that the non-Europeans are the shit ones). I can understand that argument from a culture perspective but has there been any research done on economic benefit by country of origin or similar?

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    Bruh what state are you in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    If we spent less money on foreign wars and taking care of low skilled illegal and legal immigrants form the third world, then we could spend more resources on taking care of our veterans and, combined with Trump's stance on trade and regulations/taxation, providing them with jobs. That's what Bruh's point was.
    Aren't you an immigrant?

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    Does that make a difference? I'm an immigrant and I still agree with some anti-immigration points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    You seem to say stuff along those lines quite a lot (that the non-Europeans are the shit ones). I can understand that argument from a culture perspective but has there been any research done on economic benefit by country of origin or similar?
    There's no argument there. Developed country immigrants are miles better than developing. That's not racist it's fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vim View Post
    Does that make a difference? I'm an immigrant and I still agree with some anti-immigration points.
    It does if you're supporting someone who wants to ban all immigrants...

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