I've not followed this overly closely but from everything I've seen, Tim Walz would probably have won.Originally Posted by Boydy
I've not followed this overly closely but from everything I've seen, Tim Walz would probably have won.
Old and bald identity politics at last.
Tim Walz with policies of a similar bent to what he signed in as governor of Minnesota, probably.
Is it any wonder they lost
On the final point, there are strong arguments Biden did. Strong union defence and huge investment in infrastructure creating jobs for the working class. Shame he's 80.
Why did Labour share campaign tips anyway?
'what we found really helped was running against incumbents who had been in for 14 years and had been in such decline they were cartoonishly corrupt and incompetent'
'we are the incumbents'
'oh yeah'
Is there anyone in the current Labour government who would be considered a 'senior figure' with experience of winning an election as the party in power? Mandelson?
They just fancied a jolly mate.
"The ties will be played the week commencing the 6th January ..."
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One of the big diseases in UK politics - particularly the sort of UK soft left which Boydy rails against - is a massive over-exposure and obsession with the US. Partly it's just the general glamour and money of the States - which is the same phenomenon that attracts Farage - but partly it's a specific nostalgia for Bill Clinton and frankly for Jed Bartlet that the Ashworths of the world all share, these were the big soft-left heroes in their formative years.
We really need to break away from that kind of thinking, on all sides of politics. America is a very different country and almost nothing there is applicable to us, and vice versa.
What is the deal with some states being so slow at counting? I mean, what the fuck are they playing at in Maine? In 'The Forks Plt.' they've managed to count 89.7% of the vote since since the polls closed. Another way of putting that is they have counted 35 votes in that time. 3 votes still to count . . .
Upton, Maine. 86.2% counted. That's 66 votes to you and me.
Also, is Trump's son Barron absolutely massive? He looks about 7 foot tall.
6 foot 9 so not far off.
This is a big part of the problem as well. The professional managerial class. They're not believable as your comrade on the factory floor or in the office. They're your cunt boss and everyone hates their cunt boss.
They offer nothing in terms of policies and they hate you that you're not grateful to them for it.
Rightly or wrongly people believe that Trump will try to improve their lives on a basic level. I'm not sure many people really think that about most 'normal' politicians.
That is obviously a problem.
Also, obviously after-the-facting, but virtually everyone has to buy 'gas' and 'groceries'. A vanishingly small number of voters ever access 'women's health services', even if that is, in principle, not something that people should be denied.
It was the economy after all, and not the largely made up numbers economy of governments and the markets. But, you see, your lives are better . . .
I see Rory Stewart, who's input I had missed, elucidates the point well, whilst obviously being generally catastrophically wrong about everything on that dreadful podcast:
All the celebrity/talking head tears are most amusing.Stewart remained confused by the outcome as he said, “The economy was doing reasonably okay in terms of GDP per capita. There were no major foreign policy catastrophes.”
Have to say Boydy, youre nailing the shit out of this.
https://samkriss.substack.com/p/i-told-you-soOnce I might have said that Harris would have won if shed adopted all of my preferred policies. Socialise everything; denounce Khrushchevite revisionism. These days Im not so sure thatd work, but it couldnt have hurt for her to have adopted literally any policies whatsoever. Stupid thought. That sort of thing isnt available to politicians like Kamala Harris. Its not how the system works. The candidate doesnt owe anything to the public, the public owes something to the candidate. You have to give them your love and respect and admiration and, crucially, your vote. Otherwise the monster wins
I did think there wasn't enough Khrushchevite revisionism.
Heard that she had a hard time pronouncing it, which is why it was left off the ticket.
While it would be nice to believe all the Bernie Sanders support the working class and they'll support you, Sherrod Brown losing to the MAGA car salesman kind of disproves the whole theory as bollocks. Policy and action doesn't matter. I will punish the people you hate is the major driving force of all of this.
Sherrod Brown is still a Democrat though, and they had the stink on them all.
Not unlike Corbyn, who was seen as unelectable, but many of his proposed policies ended up being adopted by the opposition in later years anyway.
I had to listen to Sherrod Brown's ads on the radio everyday for the last two months. They were all about abortion. Maybe if he had focused on the working class instead, he wouldn't have lost to the Colombian lad.
This sustained applause for Biden is so cringeworthy.
Who's name is he going to get wrong today?
Was actually quite a good speech.
He would have done better than Harris if they'd let that Biden out and about instead of the one who couldn't read his notes or deliver a pre-determined line.
Must have upped his treatment dosage.
I think you're less likely to get lost in your words if you are speaking off the cuff, and, for want of a less 'corny' term, from the heart, at least in a lol look he's got dementia way, unless you do actually have dementia.
It's what Trump did. Freewheeling about the choice between electrocution and getting in the water with sharks is not something that necessarily screams 'of sound mind', for example.
Although it was all part of the wider problem of the Democrats not facing up to their short-comings, but rather ignoring or denying them and thinking the people wouldn't notice.
Now for Trump to govern from behind bars, like it's a fuck you to Mandela or something.
Just need to splice the end of The Usual Suspects into it somehow.
Biden's last few months must have been like when Michael Scott gives his notice in the office. Bantering around with the interns. Riding his mobility scooter around the White House. Legs on the desk while he eats his ice cream in the oval office. Napping during meetings.
As if he wasn't doing that before.
Sleepy Joe.
What's the next one of these going to be then, Vance vs George Clooney? Are the Obama children old enough to run yet?
De Niro probably fancies a shot.
Vance v Michelle Obama?
Trump repeals the 22nd amendment and it's Donald v Bill [or Barry]?
The crying from the extreme left here (all our media outlets) has been unreal since. From calling him a misogynist on the main evening news to branding the American electorate idiots across every radio station. Coupled with the shit that Harris (PM) was talking before the election, I hope he obliterates the multinational segment here. We deserve it and might make a few eyes open to what they've really been doing.
Crazy that Donald Trump could be labeled a misogynist. One of his best friends is a woman.
But you report the news as a national broadcaster and you don't get into that about anyone. If you're a proper professional broadcaster of course. But the media here are in FFFG pockets and always will be.
I think it's long since time that Britain, Ireland and all the other European nations stopped obsessing over these freaks, in every dimension - political, cultural, defence, economic - and learned to sort out our own houses.
We should really look down on the yanks as a plucky former colony. Good for them and their 250 years of history. Good for them and their wood housing.
I'm sure I saw something about this on the BBC earlier but it appears to have been erased from existence. That coming from an East Coast Democrat, you know we're in business.
Trump with his Scottish mother and investments is unquestionably way better news for us than a Dem, who all hate us because they love the IRA. Not sure why people are choosing to think otherwise.
The Ra are very old news these days, I'd let that one go. The only active terrorists up there now are your lot, though they're weak enough without the state sponsorship these days.
Someone said we need to start thinking of them as a rich Latin American country and it makes sense.
What's FFFG?
Old news in the normal world, but not in America, where they all think they're 5th generation Irish Italian from the old country, mainly in the left leaning Eastern Seaboard states. It all rubs off. Back of the line and all that. What an all time line that was.
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, two opposition parties for decades and now the same side of the same left coin. In a coalition for as long as I can remember.
How? We still choose communists 50% of the time in Latin America.
Weren't they originally divided by pro and anti-treaty sentiment? Why are they still separate parties?
Well it makes more sense than thinking they're like Europeans.
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