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    He's been acting a condescending cunt more and more lately, to the point it's actually just quite unpleasant.

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    Self-reported and:

    "These findings must be interpreted with caution, however, because fewer than half of the questionnaires were returned"

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    Don't forget to check out references 2, 5, 6, 7, 20, and 21, which report positive results (as does 3, although this isn't directly referenced in the article). The other early 20's references find positive responses in specific areas relating to self-image and sexual comfort, although the question subjects are far more targeted, so probably can't be treated as broad outcomes.

    The response rate is pretty consistent with sociological literature, but is low compared to controlled medical trials, which is why it has to be acknowledged in a medically-oriented journal. It's not ideal, but the responses are consistent with the existing literature, so it's not tripping too many alarm bells there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    'The Mooch' seems like quite the geezer.
    http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-l...d-steve-bannon


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    Prince Rebus.

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    This administration is one bad mood-swing away from going full Colonel Kurtz.


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    “I’m not Steve Bannon, I’m not trying to suck my own cock,”

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    There has to be a not insignificant chance that Fandango is an agent, taking down Trump from the inside. Telling the public that you've seen him be great at many things is probably the easiest and quickest way to get deep into his good graces, and he's trying to get the Chief of Staff binned having been in the door less than a week. If he isn't an agent, he should be, because he couldn't possibly be doing a better job.

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    It's one of the best things I've ever seen.

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    Um, were people taking shit about McCain earlier?

    If only Trump had built a stock of goodwill ....

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    McCain with the face turn. MAVERICK.

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    Where is Turk Mert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    John McCain is an absolute scumbag, Even if we ignore him bringing Sarah Plain to relevancy, him coming out of his fucking brain tumor scan to vote against a shitty middle of the road healthcare insurance subsidy because the government shouldn't be paying for peoples healthcare is disgusting. The guy was born to a Navy Officer (Free healthcare) joined the army (Free healthcare) and then became a Senator (Free healthcare).

    He pretends to be a maverick while voting the party line every time. The guy's never paid a health bill in his life. I'll dance on his grave. Scum.
    hehe

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    Apart from anything else, it's hard not to get pleasure from watching them fail and fail and fail again.

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    I have to say, this is the first time I can remember McCain putting in a decisive (or even near-decisive) vote against the Republican line. Did not see that coming.

    That said, I wouldn't get cocky, because McCain could turn on a dime. It's infuriating that the Democrats compromised all over the shop to get 60 votes, when the Republicans just steamroll the process to bring it in at 51.

    EDIT: That said, if McCain votes yes, then I reckon Heller votes no. Sasse maybe as well.

    EDIT II: I have to say, it's been an impressive amount of discipline from the Democrats to not have a single member even look like considering stepping out of line on this vote. Someone in there is cracking the whip hard.

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    Pathetic.

    We will hold the House and expand the Senate majority in 2018. This isn't done yet.

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    How will the Republicans expand their senate majority?

    Which States will flip?

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    It's almost as if phonics didn't understand what was actually happening but still decided to SEETHE about it anyway.

    The left in a nutshell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    Pathetic.

    We will hold the House and expand the Senate majority in 2018. This isn't done yet.
    Do you understand that taking health insurance away from people is in fact, not popular?

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    The ACA public response is fascinating. Every provision it contains bar one (the individual mandate) is 20+ points more popular than the law itself.

    Almost as if the negative response is kneejerk partisan hackery. But surely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    The ACA public response is fascinating. Every provision it contains bar one (the individual mandate) is 20+ points more popular than the law itself.

    Almost as if the negative response is kneejerk partisan hackery. But surely not.
    It's almost as if people (on both sides) don't really understand the arguments.

    It's rather infuriating, but it's exploited by both sides to further their agendas. This is the consequence of an infantilised electorate.

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    Insisting that both sides are equally bad is fallacious. The Democrats are far from perfect, but their approach is better than the wrecking ball attitude that the Republicans have adopted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Do you understand that taking health insurance away from people is in fact, not popular?
    You understand that unsustainably rising premium prices are not in fact, popular? You understand the vast majority of people who will 'lose' health insurance are people can currently afford health insurance but will voluntarily choose to no longer keep their health insurance because the penalty is removed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    The ACA public response is fascinating. Every provision it contains bar one (the individual mandate) is 20+ points more popular than the law itself.

    Almost as if the negative response is kneejerk partisan hackery. But surely not.
    Goods and services have costs. The market operates on the basis of certain basic principles. It doesn't matter how much Leftists cry about equity and access, you can't change objective reality on the basis of emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    You understand that unsustainably rising premium prices are not in fact, popular? You understand the vast majority of people who will 'lose' health insurance are people can currently afford health insurance but will voluntarily choose to no longer keep their health insurance because the penalty is removed?
    "The CBO score found that their proto-skinny repeal would increase the number of uninsured people by 16 million over baseline estimates by 2026, would decrease the projected federal deficit by $142 billion over the same time period, and would increase premiums in the exchanges by 20 percent."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenslander View Post
    How will the Republicans expand their senate majority?

    Which States will flip?
    Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, and West Virginia, all of which voted for Mitt Romney in the 2012 election and Donald Trump in the 2016 election, as well as Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, all of which voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 election. Democrats are fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    "The CBO score found that their proto-skinny repeal would increase the number of uninsured people by 16 million over baseline estimates by 2026, would decrease the projected federal deficit by $142 billion over the same time period, and would increase premiums in the exchanges by 20 percent."
    Skinny repeal is the first step, the next step would be to work with House Republicans to pass a more comprehensive bill.

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    If the Republicans have half a brain, they'll drop healthcare like it's hot and move straight onto tax reform. Healthcare repeal is unpopular, and making them more unpopular by the day, whereas tax reform will go through easily enough - massive tax cuts at the top can be eased through by incremental tax cuts in lower brackets to keep people happy.

    Then they get runs on the board and look like they have some kind of legislative agenda that isn't completely defined by reaction to the previous administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Insisting that both sides are equally bad is fallacious. The Democrats are far from perfect, but their approach is better than the wrecking ball attitude that the Republicans have adopted.
    I'm not talking exclusively about this issue. Democrats were happy to ignore the consequences / precedent of Obama issuing executive orders that were certainly sketchy in terms of his remit. They weren't overly exercised about it because they liked the outcome and it aggrieved the other side.

    In the same way that Tony Blair ran a personal fiefdom from the Downing St sofa, and then complains about lack of parliamentary input to the Brexit process.

    You can't have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    If the Republicans have half a brain, they'll drop healthcare like it's hot and move straight onto tax reform. Healthcare repeal is unpopular, and making them more unpopular by the day, whereas tax reform will go through easily enough - massive tax cuts at the top can be eased through by incremental tax cuts in lower brackets to keep people happy.

    Then they get runs on the board and look like they have some kind of legislative agenda that isn't completely defined by reaction to the previous administration.
    You need to pay for the tax cuts somehow so that it is deficit neutral, otherwise you need 60 votes.

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    Ital shouldn't have deleted his post upthread. He seems to do that a lot when he's said something that might cause a ruckus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Ital shouldn't have deleted his post upthread. He seems to do that a lot when he's said something that might cause a ruckus.
    You spotted that. I do sometimes do that in order to avoid unnecessary conflict.

    No point leaving it undone if the cat got out though.

    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    It's almost as if people (on both sides) don't really understand the arguments.

    It's rather infuriating, but it's exploited by both sides to further their agendas. This is the consequence of an infantilised electorate.
    GS's commentary seems to broadly fall into either a vehement "100% typical of the left and only the left" and a shrugged "well, I guess both sides do it", depending on whether it's the left or the right being idiots on any given issue.

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    https://imgur.com/a/2EjjA

    The Donald subreddit is the single biggest group of losers anywhere in the world, which is pretty representative of the subset of (educated) people who support him

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    You spotted that. I do sometimes do that in order to avoid unnecessary conflict.

    No point leaving it undone if the cat got out though.

    A fine example of reading what you want to read, and not what's actually being said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    A fine example of reading what you want to read, and not what's actually being said.
    No, he's right. You're a fine example of how some people build up these grandiose visions of themselves inside their heads while remaining completely self-unaware on the outside. Your emotional intelligence is non-existent, and so you have no idea what your biases are.

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    Ital's point can only disintegrate further with you throwing your considerable intellectual weight behind it.

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    You have more intellectual weight than I do? You really think that?

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    I hate polls but


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    My dad could have your dad.

    EDIT: Phonics and his stupid massive image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    It's almost as if phonics didn't understand what was actually happening but still decided to SEETHE about it anyway.

    The left in a nutshell.


    sums my thoughts up on it. Happy to be wrong though.

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    Jesus GS, reel it in. You're acting like a complete nob at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migraine View Post
    at the moment.

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    People do seem to be going out of their way at the moment to respond to GS in the daftest way possible, so good for him.

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    Can we swap Harold for GS?

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    It's been all systems go on the plebs having a pop at him since at least the election.

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    Typical of the left.

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    Yeah poor old bullied GS, fighting the good fight.

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    The fuckwits all take sides with each other, which is the main problem. This forum needs a civil war.

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