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    It's practically impossible, there are so many bots set-up to auto reply to his tweets that you couldn't even get a 'Seething' in there before it's drowned out by some bloke flogging his Liberal Tears mug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serj View Post
    As for the obstructionist point, I don't know.. the narrative might be going the other way if they filibuster the nomination, with the evil elitist Democrats being painted as bad losers. I'm not sure anything the Republicans have done during the last eight years is going to matter much in that kind of discourse.
    I'm not saying that they should do it for the sake of quid pro quo. It's that they should have noticed that the Republicans were able to stonewall largely without consequence. That's the lesson to be taken away from the last eight years. There will be no political fallout in four years time to obstruction at every turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenslander View Post
    It's a strange one but completely irrelevant with our buddy buddy bond going forward.

    Don't you think?
    Hard to tell what the geopolitical landscape is going to be in four years. I don't think we'd follow the US into war with China, and I also wouldn't say that's 100% off the table.

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    Plus you will have had about six new Prime Ministers by then.

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    Malcs seems to be holding on. I doubt the LibNats are actually going to oust him any time soon. The right-wing of the party will whine to try and get what they want, but Australians prefer boring centrists when it comes to the vote, and everyone knows it.

    I think he's settled in the "you're the long-term PM so absolutely nobody likes you, but kind of a low-key dissatisfaction than any kind of raging hatred".

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    LOW ENERGY. NO STAMINA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    Malcs seems to be holding on. I doubt the LibNats are actually going to oust him any time soon. The right-wing of the party will whine to try and get what they want, but Australians prefer boring centrists when it comes to the vote, and everyone knows it.

    I think he's settled in the "you're the long-term PM so absolutely nobody likes you, but kind of a low-key dissatisfaction than any kind of raging hatred".
    Does his wealth get brought up a lot when people moan about him (like how David Cameron being well off was constantly referred to), or does he indulge in the grand Australian tradition of referring to himself as 'just a bloke from *whichever shit part of Sydney is closest to his actual birthplace*', making everybody cherish him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Does his wealth get brought up a lot when people moan about him (like how David Cameron being well off was constantly referred to), or does he indulge in the grand Australian tradition of referring to himself as 'just a bloke from *whichever shit part of Sydney is closest to his actual birthplace*', making everybody cherish him?
    He doesn't try to seem like an everyman, and nobody really gives him a hard time about it.

    I think Australians generally prefer the idea of obviously competent, boring manager-types in charge, and he really obviously ticks those boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    He doesn't try to seem like an everyman, and nobody really gives him a hard time about it.

    I think Australians generally prefer the idea of obviously competent, boring manager-types in charge, and he really obviously ticks those boxes.
    Why did they want independence then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Why did they want independence then?
    We still like the idea of Australians being in charge of Australia. Because duh.

    Most Australians exist in the half-space where they would ideally like to be ruled by one of our own, but don't want to risk an unknown system. If you proposed the exact current system, except with the head-of-stateness being devolved to the governer-general, you'd walk it in. But Australians are risk-averse, which is why the Republic won't win a vote while the ruler is a known quantity. It'll happen eventually though.

    I don't actually object to Britain having a monarchy. Britain clearly wants a monarchy, and it works well for them. I, like most Australian republicans, just object to Australia sitting under a non-Australian monarchy. Nobody's suggesting that Lizzie should be first up against the wall or anything.

    Not that it has anything to do with anything. I don't even know how we got to this topic.

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    Take it to the Oceania Politics thread ffs.

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    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15G5RX

    U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

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    Who proposed it? I can't imagine Trump just got it in his head one day to attack something, and poked around in an atlas until he found something he liked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post


    LOW ENERGY. NO STAMINA.
    He clearly hates the job already.

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    Mad Dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    He clearly hates the job already.
    Nah, this is all part of the masterplan to get it moved to Trump Tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    Who proposed it? I can't imagine Trump just got it in his head one day to attack something, and poked around in an atlas until he found something he liked.
    It was already planned under Obama. It's just a way to hit him from the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Just found out that Steve Bannon made the majoirty of his personal fortune by buying a cut of royalties for Seinfeld when it was in it's first season.
    That is amazing. It's also ruined my day.

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    I want an Australian monarchy now.

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    It can't be a 'non-Australian monarchy' when it pre-dates Australia as a state, the origins of which is lands claimed for the Crown. The indigenous fellas can have that point, but the majority of you can't play the foreign monarch card.

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    That said, in order to reinforce that idea, it might make sense to send Prince Harry to live on the Gold Coast. New Zealand and Canada can share Prince Andrew's daughters (unlucky).

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    He's currently at the National Prayer Breakfast blaming Arnie for crap ratings of Celebrity Apprentice.



    The internet is so fucking great. Arnie has already fired back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    I'm not saying that they should do it for the sake of quid pro quo. It's that they should have noticed that the Republicans were able to stonewall largely without consequence. That's the lesson to be taken away from the last eight years. There will be no political fallout in four years time to obstruction at every turn.
    Another argument for obstruction everywhere is that it makes Republicans own the coming 4 years completely. It's a bit "scorched earth", but given how the Trump administration is shaping up tying the GOP to every action he takes makes sense from a strategic perspective.

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    If he was allowed, and Arnie had ran last year, he'd have walked the election right?

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    Nah, he would have lost to Clinton. He fucked up California pretty badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Given that the geezer sounds about as qualified as you could possibly be (EXPERT), even amongst these sorts of people, does that make it harder to spin a convincing opposition to his appointment?
    Yes, there will be a lot of people who confirmed him previously saying he is a grave danger to foundational rights. They will look stupid to normals but our base wants a temper tantrum. It is stupid to burn the filibuster now because it is a "stolen seat". However, the level of anger even among normals (200-500 people spontaneously protesting in Phoenix, Des Moines, Birmingham and Anchorage? That is not Berkeley Occupy idiots.) means the tail is going to wag the dog for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    I truly can't understand why anyone would pick a fight with us. We're a totally inconsequential country in the big scheme of things.

    We basically just dig valuable rocks out of the ground and sell them. That's our entire lot.
    Yeah you can keep your Muslim refugees thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serj View Post
    Georgetown Prep is frat af, right near my old house.

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    The only way Trump can save this start is by doubling down. Wearing a massive plastic wig of his own hair. Pledging to rename various cities after himself. That sort of thing.

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    He'll be disappointed to find out that Orange County is already taken.

    edit: Fuck, did I just make a pun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    Who proposed it? I can't imagine Trump just got it in his head one day to attack something, and poked around in an atlas until he found something he liked.
    Sounds like Trump admin screwed up in the vetting. When they don't have field control military proposes based on current strategy; civilian vets in consultation with military and then approves. Lots of ops are proposed because military has duty to offer admin options. Old op that was not yet vetted and new admin either doesn't understand or care about the process.

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    President Arnie would be a god-send right about now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikem View Post
    Sounds like Trump admin screwed up in the vetting. When they don't have field control military proposes based on current strategy; civilian vets in consultation with military and then approves. Lots of ops are proposed because military has duty to offer admin options. Old op that was not yet vetted and new admin either doesn't understand or care about the process.
    ...or the intelligence community is trying to sabotage him as they've been doing for awhile now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    Yeah you can keep your Muslim refugees thanks.
    That's reasonable enough what isn't reasonable is hanging up on your closest Ally in the Pacific and Asia. Really strange behaviour...

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    Does anyone know where/who started throwing 'Nazi' around for seemingly any right-leaning opinion? Twitter is mind-numbing just now.

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    Welcome to the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Welcome to the internet.
    I'm meaning recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd View Post
    Does anyone know where/who started throwing 'Nazi' around for seemingly any right-leaning opinion? Twitter is mind-numbing just now.
    There just so happen to be a large amount of Nazis surfacing in public view. That and a bit of Godwin's law.

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    Actual Nazi, him.

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    Glenn Beck thinks Bannon is dangerous. Glenn Beck!

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    BBC4 warning from history on now = BBC warning us trump is a nazi apparently.

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    Beck seemed to distance himself from Trump the further his campaign got too, I think being off proper TV has made him question everything he once stood for, like a multiplatform hippy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wullie View Post
    Beck seemed to distance himself from Trump the further his campaign got too, I think being off proper TV has made him question everything he once stood for, like a multiplatform hippy.
    It will be weird if he is out there speaking out against the administration. He said Bannon was a fan of Lennon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    ...or the intelligence community is trying to sabotage him as they've been doing for awhile now
    Not vetted by the CIA but under your logic Trump is negligent. If Trump believes that intelligence is out to get him then he should oversee the vetting process and not use tainted intel. At a minimum he should question it.

    Obama's team is the worst team ever!
    Let's use their intel!

    It is old intel?
    Even better!

    Intelligence community is horrible.
    Should we vet?
    No, let's go to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    ...or the intelligence community is trying to sabotage him as they've been doing for awhile now
    The media. Silicon valley. Scientists. The intelligence community.

    At some point it stops being a conspiracy, and just becomes everyone seeing the obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    The media. Silicon valley. Scientists. The intelligence community.

    At some point it stops being a conspiracy, and just becomes everyone seeing the obvious.
    He is a threat to the parasitic status quo who have enjoyed unjust privileges. These are the cesspools of cuckoldry unwittingly unraveling our civilization under the guise of 'open minded' spineless tolerance.

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