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    The reason it's balanced towards Germany is that they're the only continental country which isn't fucking useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The reason it's balanced towards Germany is that they're the only continental country which isn't fucking useless.
    I don't disagree, but German domination of Europe is hardly desirable for anybody except the Germans.

    Imagine if Martin Schulz somehow became Chancellor. Fucking hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazuuurk View Post
    Can someone explain the huge deal that seems to be crime in Chicago?

    From all I gather they are not even in the top 5 most violent cities in the US, if even top 10 (seems a bit hard to find consistent stats though).

    In short - 'The South Side' is rife with gangs, drugs, prostitution and murder. That's the story, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    In short - 'The South Side' is rife with gangs, drugs, prostitution and murder. That's the story, anyway.
    I'm sure it is. But there's a whole bunch of other US cities who seem much worse, like St Louis, New Orleans, Detroit, Oakland (?) and probably Baltimore.

    I guess Chicago is a bit of an international city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    What's wrong with the EU is that its structure is fundamentally flawed and it's run by entrenched ideologues who refuse to acknowledge this.

    A Fillon win would do well. He has Thatcheresque policies that the French economy probably needs, he's ambivalent towards the EU, and he's sympathetic to 'Holy Russia'. It would bode well enough for us.

    Even when we leave, the EU requires some serious rebalancing away from Germany. Fillon might actually be willing to argue the point.

    It's rather underappreciated how utterly dreadful Hollande has been. It should basically disqualify the socialists from office henceforward.
    It's sad, because you're probably right. But I suspect you're against the EU in general, whereas I'm strongly Pro the EU. I want it to work but I do acknowledge it has a bunch of problems that's lead to so much dissent about it. For it to work the states in it probably need to work more towards giving up some (more) of their national identities and embracing the federal European state.

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    If the EU has to exist, then I'd rather the UK be part of it purely because it's alot of trade we'll be denied purely out of spite. We also had a pretty good get out of jail free card in keeping our own currency for when the Euro completely crashes.

    That said, it's probably better to be 'out' for when the whole thing burns down. They still haven't sorted out the likes of Greece and Portugal being able to run their economy in to the ground whilst taking the Euro with them. I still haven't had it explained to me how a centralised shared currency and regionalised government spending / borrowing is meant to work.

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    That's because it won't work, and because the EU is jampacked with Sepp Blatter types who are convinced they're saving the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazuuurk View Post
    It's sad, because you're probably right. But I suspect you're against the EU in general, whereas I'm strongly Pro the EU. I want it to work but I do acknowledge it has a bunch of problems that's lead to so much dissent about it. For it to work the states in it probably need to work more towards giving up some (more) of their national identities and embracing the federal European state.
    I'm against the EU because it's an anti democratic supranational mess that rides roughshod over existing democratic institutions and member states' rights.

    The remaining eurozone states need to pool further sovereignty on financial matters to make the currency feasible in the long term. The people don't want that, but the politicians will just ram it through anyway if they decide they want it. The EU has brought the "dissent" on itself by being absolutely useless, and generally incapable of having a finger on the political pulse.

    The EU constitution / Lisbon debacle was the high point. We had Gordon Brown pretending they didn't need to honour the 2005 manifesto pledge to hold a referendum because he knew they'd lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    That's because it won't work, and because the EU is jampacked with Sepp Blatter types who are convinced they're saving the world.
    Hopefully Brexit Britain is such a place that the term 'waxworks' is allowed to circulate again.

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    Can we get the EU moaning out of the US Politics thread please. Ta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I'm against the EU because it's an anti democratic supranational mess that rides roughshod over existing democratic institutions and member states' rights.

    The remaining eurozone states need to pool further sovereignty on financial matters to make the currency feasible in the long term. The people don't want that, but the politicians will just ram it through anyway if they decide they want it. The EU has brought the "dissent" on itself by being absolutely useless, and generally incapable of having a finger on the political pulse.

    The EU constitution / Lisbon debacle was the high point. We had Gordon Brown pretending they didn't need to honour the 2005 manifesto pledge to hold a referendum because he knew they'd lose.
    Still agree with you on that. Though I think it's better to try to fix the mess than to leave it behind.
    But perhaps I'm being naive about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Can we get the EU moaning out of the US Politics thread please. Ta.
    Can you move it to a new thread / an existing one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    It's rather underappreciated how utterly dreadful Hollande has been. It should basically disqualify the socialists from office henceforward.
    First time you've been right about something in ages.

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    As for Fillon, he can fuck off, parading around with his catholic cross and then complaining about 'burkinis.'

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    Amen to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Can we get the EU moaning out of the US Politics thread please. Ta.
    That's my bad, I apologize for bringing it up, I just thought everything being connected and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Can you move it to a new thread / an existing one?
    Start one and I'll move it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Start one and I'll move it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazuuurk View Post
    Can someone explain the huge deal that seems to be crime in Chicago?

    From all I gather they are not even in the top 5 most violent cities in the US, if even top 10 (seems a bit hard to find consistent stats though).
    That's because Chicago is a big city with large parts of it which are fairly safe. The South Side is pretty much a war zone.

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    At least Mert has not made the entirety of Chicago a war zone but that is not quite right. I am just quibbling because he is right that it is small pockets within cities. It is not the mythic South Side. The concentration of the real gang war is in a few wards in Oak Park, which is on the West Side. Here is a map of where the murders happened:

    http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/homicides

    But the reason the poster city of urban blight went from New York in the 70's, D.C. in the 80's, Detroit in the 90's to Chicago now is always political narrative. Where is Obama's adopted home? I doubt there are even as many murders in Chicago as there were in the 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Yeah they got fired. Kennedy actively campaigned with the FBI to get the classified markings downgraded from some of Hillary's emails, he's a complete establishment hack.

    This is what draining the swamp looks like.

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    So, now he's going to impose a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico to make them pay for the wall.



    I'm not kidding here: I wonder if he genuinely believes a 20% tax on imports would be paid by Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    This is what draining the swamp looks like.
    You're such a massive retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    So, now he's going to impose a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico to make them pay for the wall.



    I'm not kidding here: I wonder if he genuinely believes a 20% tax on imports would be paid by Mexico.
    Assuming he bins off NAFTA, he'll be bound by the rules of the WTO which they would presumably fall back on in the absence of any bilateral / multilateral treaty.

    That said, the Mexicans aren't really in a position to argue if the Americans assert themselves.

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    They could have done a lot worse than sacking everybody at the State Department, so consider that a TRUMP WIN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    So, now he's going to impose a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico to make them pay for the wall.



    I'm not kidding here: I wonder if he genuinely believes a 20% tax on imports would be paid by Mexico.
    It's called negotiating. 20% tax on imports will absolutely wreck the Mexican economy, they will soon bend the knee and pay for the wall.

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    Relax. They'll counter with a giant ladder fund from Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    I'm not kidding here: I wonder if he genuinely believes a 20% tax on imports would be paid by Mexico.
    Only if the US also pulls out of the WTO. Otherwise, Mexico will have to pay a MASSIVE tariff of about 2%.

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    Given his stance on the UN and also "creating betterer deals for the US everywhere", can you really rule out him deciding that the WTO isn't in the US best interest?

    Also, I guess you're right, but I assume Mexican officials are aware of that which would make it a pointless fucking "negotiation tactic".

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    No, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to also pull out of the WTO, but I would hope at least some Republicans have enough integrity to vote against such shite.

    Obviously any threat in the world wouldn't be enough to convince Mexico to pay for the wall, but Pena Nieto is a complete weasel, so fuck knows what he might do.

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    Mr. Spicer said the tax initially would apply only to Mexico, but that the president supports imposing a 20 percent tax on all imports.
    So basically Smoot-Hawley pt.2, and a breakdown of global trade.

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    Would be pretty lol if that actually happened.

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    He'd be super popular until white middle class America discovered that their grocery bill went up by 20%. Thanks Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    He'd be super popular until white middle class America discovered that their grocery bill went up by 20%. Thanks Obama.
    But who was substitution away from more expensive goods to alternative goods? It would fuck Mexico, and have a negligible effect on the average American (until Mexico caved anyways).

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    America truly is the gift that keeps on giving.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    America truly is the gift that keeps on giving.

    You missed the part where 70+% of Democrats were against the use of a private server.

    Also there's nothing inherently wrong with using a private server, the issue was using a private server to transmit classified information and then deleting tens of thousands of emails when asked to turn them over by Federal prosecutors pursuant to a criminal investigation.

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    Conservepedia are fully behind Trump. I'll never get tired of reading that site!

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    I've now realised why May is so keen to cosy up to Trump - because she looks like a fucking political heavyweight next to him.

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    There is no 20% tariff. It is either a misunderstanding of Mike Lee's (R-U) plan to cut corporate taxes to 0% and make it revenue neutral by adding tariffs of up to 20% on imports by those corporations from countries with a US trade surplus. In which case it can't pay for the wall. Or it is an attempt to grift off that plan to make it look like Mexico is paying for the wall like a cheap Trump suit. Or it is classic Trump throwing shit at a wall like a monkey hoping it either sticks or we all freak out about the funny monkey. Either way, anything coming out of the White House is pure nonsense.

    Turns out governance by con and personality disorder is not nearly as much fun as you'd think.

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    Vice President Mike Pence spoke at the 'March for Life' today. As big a menace as Donald Trump is, let's hope he sees out the full term because I reckon Mike Pence would be even more dangerous.

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    I'm starting to like The Donald.

    The more I see and/or hear, the more he wins me over.
    I'm a twit

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    In another universe, alt-mert is explaining to us how a 20% tariff on imports is transferred to consumers.

    Not in this one, I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    In another universe, alt-mert is explaining to us how a 20% tariff on imports is transferred to consumers.

    Not in this one, I see.
    I get how it works. This is about negotiation and leverage, not about maximizing economic efficiency.

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    So if you can concede that a 20% tariff is not the right way to go (which you appear to do above), what happens should Mexico say no?

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    Just like the wall was just hypothetical and not meant to be a real wall. Right mert?

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    This visa thing not including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is pretty lol.

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    It's not like there's legit form for muslim-lead terrorist attacks in the US. Just don't let them become pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    This visa thing not including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is pretty lol.
    I think it's because the Saudia and Pakistani government has much better documentation / resources to allow for vetting of applicants. We also need Pakistani doctors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Just like the wall was just hypothetical and not meant to be a real wall. Right mert?
    Nah it was always real, I just pretended it wasn't to appease liberals during the election.

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