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    Even if true (which I don't think it is) I literally couldn't give less of a shit. The entire economic balance of life is fucked due to the rich repeatedly stealing from everyone else. That's the issue with the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Nick Griffin was on Question time in 2009.
    Which the left also failed miserably at dealing with given the whole show was a questioning cavalcade of his abhorrent opinions (which anyone still supporting him by that point was obviously fine with, therefore pointless), rather than exposing him for the awful politician he was.

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    Bofe sides m9

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Even if true (which I don't think it is) I literally couldn't give less of a shit. The entire economic balance of life is fucked due to the rich repeatedly stealing from everyone else. That's the issue with the world.
    I agree. The best trick the devil ever did was to pretend that the biggest divides are caused by race or sex, when it's clearly classs/wealth you're born into rather than your skin colour etc. So we all spend 10 years arguing about that, get absolutely nowhere with it and all the time the rich get richer, no doubt while fuelling up the roflcopter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    He's pardoned a load of people who tried to stage a violent insurrection and he also tried to steal an election.

    Two things which even ten years ago would've been seen as completely fucking insane.

    Somehow now everyone is just hand-waving.
    The pardoning stuff is mental, especially when cops died on the back of that and the people trying to break in were packing those restraints so absolutely no doubt what was going to happen if they had succeeded. I do wonder what happens with them all now, reportedly in Russia criminals who volunteered to fight in Ukraine are back in Russia committing crimes and acting untouchable because they are 'war heroes', could see similar with these people.

    Trump has also 4D chessed Biden into setting a precedent regarding pre-emptively pardoning family and key government figures so the way has been paved for full corruption and crime with no consequences.

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    Biden set a precedent? Didn't Trump pardon about 300 of his closest family, friends and attorneys on the way out the door last time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I’d also mind less if it was outright hatred that was being silenced but we’ve just lived through years of being told that even questioning immigration policies, for example, is racist, which absolutely bonkers.
    Whilst this may or may not be the case [I don't think it is but I understand the sentiment] is it not also a bit bonkers that for the duration of that same period and longer we have had governments with fairly overtly anti-immigration/anti-foreigner rhetoric and simultaneously pro-immigration policies? How were they not cancelled sooner by one side or the other? 14 years of hard work trying to get net migration into the tens of thousands has yielded what? How are Nige and co in their now not racist zeitgeist going to make the difference when they get in in five years? Look over here hand waving?

    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Yes, but what’s controversial also changes with the times.

    The left’s and your entire argument seems to boil down to “well I don’t like those views so I agree with the current consequences of them being aired”, which is remarkably short sighted.

    I’d also mind less if it was outright hatred that was being silenced but we’ve just lived through years of being told that even questioning immigration policies, for example, is racist, which absolutely bonkers.
    No my argument boils down to having hateful positions that are shouted on public platforms can impact your employment. No one forces Laurence Fox or me or you to post your opinions online. That can have an impact on potential employment if the person hiring you thinks you're detrimental to the company being hired for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Whilst this may or may not be the case [I don't think it is but I understand the sentiment] is it not also a bit bonkers that for the duration of that same period and longer we have had governments with fairly overtly anti-immigration/anti-foreigner rhetoric and simultaneously pro-immigration policies? How were they not cancelled sooner by one side or the other? 14 years of hard work trying to get net migration into the tens of thousands has yielded what? How are Nige and co in their now not racist zeitgeist going to make the difference when they get in in five years? Look over here hand waving?

    There is no spoon.
    Well, we could use being labelled as racist for voting Brexit if that sits better with you as an example of this madness.

    But to answer your question, my suspicion is that it was in everyone's interest whether they were in government or might be to try and mask the zero underlying growth (or actually significant decline) in GDP per capita by just chucking more people at it to get overall GDP up. No one, including this government seems to have a plan as to how to do it otherwise.

    Other aspect is that mass immigration benefits business, business circles that politicians move in and who doesn't want to do a favour for a mate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    No my argument boils down to having hateful positions that are shouted on public platforms can impact your employment. No one forces Laurence Fox or me or you to post your opinions online. That can have an impact on potential employment if the person hiring you thinks you're detrimental to the company being hired for.
    But again, it's not just hateful opinions (by any sensible measure) we're talking about is it.

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    Yes, Brexit is a much better example of the extremely poor read of the country that infects a large portion of the progressive establishment, but even that isn't localised to that wing of thought. Giggles, for example, is a full adherent to the Little Englander theory, and he's a reactionary bigot who wants to set fire to brown people apparently. That said, if Little Englander is taken to mean just not liking the EU on base level it is probably a quite good/accurate read of British public opinion c.1975-2015.

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    This brewing row over Mandelson could be quite interesting.

    Can you not have an ambassador? Doubt the UK would have the balls for it, or the US 'deep state' would allow it, but it would be an interesting look for them to accept ambassadors from enemy states but not a closest ally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    No my argument boils down to having hateful positions that are shouted on public platforms can impact your employment. No one forces Laurence Fox or me or you to post your opinions online. That can have an impact on potential employment if the person hiring you thinks you're detrimental to the company being hired for.
    My old boss was forced in to retirement because he kept posting tin foil hat stuff on LinkedIn of all places lol.

    Edit: in fact it was probably the most sane content on the platform. He still does it now.

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    He's a prick (and he's surrounded by far more dangerous cunts) but he is funny.

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    Yeah, the saving grace is that there really is no one like him. Unless The Rock suddenly starts calling for Mexican cartel heads, none of the supporting cast will be able to continue his legacy.

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    The US really has a cultural stronghold of the world, doesn't it?

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    These pardons for the January 6th rioters are genuine Banana republic level insanity. Someone serving 22 years for inciting and organising insurrection just walking free. 1600 people. It's utterly, utterly mental.

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    Those people who died were just faking it for political purposes, get over it.

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    Don't worry though he won't actually do anything crazy, it's all talk, it was fine last time, stop being ridiculous.

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    It is all talk. It just so happens crazy people act on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Those people who died were just faking it for political purposes, get over it.
    Wasn't it like four rioters and one cop? Not minimizing the cop's death, but it was not a massacre or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Don't worry though he won't actually do anything crazy, it's all talk, it was fine last time, stop being ridiculous.
    The pardons are pretty wild, I'll give you that. That it is even an option is mental. Still don't see how it affects you on the other side of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    It is all talk. It just so happens crazy people act on it.
    Releasing them isn't talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Wasn't it like four rioters and one cop? Not minimizing the cop's death, but it was not a massacre or something.



    The pardons are pretty wild, I'll give you that. That it is even an option is mental. Still don't see how it affects you on the other side of the world.
    I have literally no idea but agree the whole pardon process is mad. Promising to be tough on dangerous criminals and then releasing 1600 on day 1 is also 'pretty wild'.

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    The pardons are wild until you see that Biden used the last hours of his presidency to pardon all of his family members against crimes they may or may not have committed up to that point, and then you realise that the presidential pardon is a proper banana republic / medieval king weapon and the founding fathers were making quite a lot of assumptions with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    The pardons are pretty wild, I'll give you that. That it is even an option is mental. Still don't see how it affects you on the other side of the world.
    People being emboldened to do this stuff in the most powerful nation and democracy on earth sets the stage for it to happen elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The pardons are wild until you see that Biden used the last hours of his presidency to pardon all of his family members against crimes they may or may not have committed up to that point, and then you realise that the presidential pardon is a proper banana republic / medieval king weapon and the founding fathers were making quite a lot of assumptions with it.
    Yes, Biden being able to pardon his family is also wrong. As it was when Trump did it.

    No, it is not even remotely in the same universe of insanity as Trump pardoning 1600 people who staged a violent attack on the Capitol.

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    I mean, it can't happen here because we don't have a president and thanks to Oliver Cromwell our king doesn't have pardoning powers. But I'm sure 'the stage is set' nonetheless.

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    Didn't that already get tested over here in the summer? We just don't pull off shit like the Capitol riot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The pardons are wild until you see that Biden used the last hours of his presidency to pardon all of his family members against crimes they may or may not have committed up to that point, and then you realise that the presidential pardon is a proper banana republic / medieval king weapon and the founding fathers were making quite a lot of assumptions with it.
    Yeah, I meant all of the pardons. I like most of the Constitution but that is just shit.

    I read something about 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada. That'll affect my weekly avocado purchase. Trump out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Still don't see how it affects you on the other side of the world.
    Americas today tends to be our tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    No, it is not even remotely in the same universe of insanity as Trump pardoning 1600 people who staged a violent attack on the Capitol.
    Do you know the crimes that the people who Biden pardoned allegedly committed? Hard to tell what is worse without knowing that, but maybe you do. I sure as hell don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Americas today tends to be our tomorrow.
    So you think your prime Minister will start pardoning criminals left and right?

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    The whole pardoning thing is fucking mental in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I mean, it can't happen here because we don't have a president and thanks to Oliver Cromwell our king doesn't have pardoning powers. But I'm sure 'the stage is set' nonetheless.
    I wasn't referring specifically to pardoning people, merely leaders being emboldened to wield their powers way beyond the boundaries of what's previously been attempted to their own ends.

    "Yeah but nobody is ever actually going to do that" is very much a tenet being tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    So you think your prime Minister will start pardoning criminals left and right?
    I have no idea what the legalities of that would even be. But, I mean in a wider context, anyway. We tend to follow America's lead on many things, and people are concerned because as funny as it is watching the freakshow, we don't want our own British version of one in 4 years time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Americas today tends to be our tomorrow.
    Hopefully so, because your today tends to be ours. So, sense eventually I'd hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Do you know the crimes that the people who Biden pardoned allegedly committed?
    None. He's pre-emptively pardoned them to prevent Trump coming up with something to go after them for - as Trump did last time and found no criminal wrongdoing. They haven't actually been accused of anything.

    The pardon of Hunter previously was related to gun and tax charges i.e. nothing vioent.

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    I wonder what would have happened if the riot had been January 6th 1821?

    I'm assuming attempts to pull that shit over here in the past would have been met with the whole hung, drawn and quartered business, although maybe not in the 1800s. 1600s yes.

    Cromwell is properly underrated [the Irish despise him don't they?], how did the yanks end up such a bunch of retards after it was his sort that started up their country?
    Last edited by niko_cee; 21-01-2025 at 07:14 PM.

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    The American Constitution is quite good as far as books of laws go. This pardon thing a shit outlier that a proper Congress could take care of, but the current lot could never pass a constitutional reform, no matter how obviously good.

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    Unwritten constitutions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    So you think your prime Minister will start pardoning criminals left and right?
    No but it's likely our next prime minister will be your current president and his billionaire mate's pick.
    Last edited by Lofty; 21-01-2025 at 09:10 PM.

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    Not sure we can complain about politically-motivated pardons in light of certain approaches to certain crimes that have been in the news recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    "Throw out love to the crowd", apparently. Which might be more cringe than doing a Nazi salute.
    It's his weird facial expression when doing it that gets me. He's comical gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    You are massively unaware of swathes of people. You live in a fantasy world hence why I mentioned that Quincy post.

    There are thousands of people in this country alone with swastika tattoos. Do you think they don’t quite understand?
    You come across as an emotional retard incapable of discussing opposing views without getting somewhat emotive on the matter. A real shame. Have you always been like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    They’d soon grow bored and start to hoot and holler over your posts from your over inflated and pathetic sense of self Importance and intelligence. You’re just another inbred failure from Hull. Enjoy your life you total dirtbag.
    Surely you see the irony in your post, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    This election has really hit them hard. More than I could ever have even hoped for really.
    this is a cracking read.

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    Team Quiggles has got to be a new low for intelligence when it comes to TTH double acts.

    Barely a step up from inanimate objects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    It's his weird facial expression when doing it that gets me. He's comical gold.
    It's the quickness of the arm raise that gets me. He's really keen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Team Quiggles has got to be a new low for intelligence when it comes to TTH double acts.

    Barely a step up from inanimate objects.
    Stick to posting photos of food, mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    You come across as an emotional retard incapable of discussing opposing views without getting somewhat emotive on the matter. A real shame. Have you always been like this?
    Emotional retard > actual retard.

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