Making a Murderer (Massive Spoilers Within)

[Samadini]

I was a bit worried, as I hadn't seen anyone here call it that, but again I don't want to Google anything, did it with both Serial and MaM and found spoilers because of the news articles at the top of the search.

What I'm downloading has 9 episodes, so looks like it's good.

[John]

Yeah, that'll probably be the original eight and some followup thing. The site I used has a separate 'extras' download listed so I'd imagine it'll be something from that.

[Yevrah]

Going back through the thread now that I've seen everything:





Is it really all that? I can't think of a documentary with more fascinating subject material, but they don't really do anything new or special in the filming of it. While I'm inclined toward their perspective anyway I also don't think it can be denied that it's an extremely biased take on the story.

I haven't denied that, as previous posts in this thread are testament to.

And for me it was one of the best shows I've ever seen because I was gripped from start to finish and simply couldn't stop until I'd seen it all. That there was nothing new or special there in terms of how it was filmed (which I'd agree with) wasn't a problem when the subject matter was so good.

[Toby]

Fair enough. I probably just struggle with the idea of ranking documentaries alongside fictional stuff.

[Magic]

I prefer real life to fiction. Its always more fucked up.

[Toby]

One more comment on this and then I'll shut up for a bit. I thought there were parallels to be drawn between the way a lot of people viewed the case and the way a lot of Americans seem to talk about religion. The people who still seemed to think Avery might be guilty of the Beerstein rape being perfect case in point.

[Mazuuurk]

Beerstein sounds like such a fratbro name.

[Magic]

Beerstein sounds like such a fratbro name.

Along with Kegstein and Bongstein. Starring in American Pie Jesu.

[Toby]

That is a cracking misspelling.



Beernsten obvs.

[Samadini]

The Staircase

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Their 'sister'. She was Kathleen's daughter from a previous marriage. Obviously it would have been a bastard for her to walk away from them, but given what else was going on it would have been fairly small potatoes. The more prominent of the two sisters seemed to swing towards thinking he'd killed her based on the stuff about his sexuality, which is repulsive.

Putting Lee up there after the focus group told them not to was a blunder. Being the world expert in something is good for selling books and booking guest lecturing spots, but when it comes to laying out a concept for a group of laypeople communication and gravitas are much more important than your CV, and someone speaking in vague English and giggling isn't the man for that job. I'll stick to what I said about him being foreign working against them on a more fundamental level too, in that if the perception is that you had to go all that way to find someone to back you up your story seems immediately less credible.

That library scene was disquieting as it was happening, but it added dread to some stuff further down the line too, like when Mike is deciding whether or not to testify. I'd have been rooting for him to get up there and give an impassioned plea of innocence if it wasn't for the knowledge that the prosecution could produce pages of him talking about murder.

There is something a bit slippery about Mike and I wouldn't trust the man to tell the time never mind the truth, but he wasn't guilty.

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My thoughts exactly after just finishing this. Had my head in my hands and soon as I saw the words 'Henry Lee' pop up after the meeting over whether they'd put up a defence. Also got quite the squeaky bum when they offered Mike the chance to step up after the library scene.

Once again I'm left feeling seriously uncomfortable after watching that, knowing that 12 people have unanimously agreed that he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt, somehow. It's frightening to think how many people have been fucked over by this.

Lol at that complete and utter cunt calling a bit of porn disgusting filth, given the things she's sure to have gotten up to.

[John]

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My thoughts exactly after just finishing this. Had my head in my hands and soon as I saw the words 'Henry Lee' pop up after the meeting over whether they'd put up a defence. Also got quite the squeaky bum when they offered Mike the chance to step up after the library scene.

Once again I'm left feeling seriously uncomfortable after watching that, knowing that 12 people have unanimously agreed that he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt, somehow. It's frightening to think how many people have been fucked over by this.

Lol at that complete and utter cunt calling a bit of porn disgusting filth, given the things she's sure to have gotten up to.

Good, isn't it? What was the ninth 'episode' in your download?

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Aye that prosecution thundercunt laid it on a bit thick, to the point where it stopped being a tactic and she seemed like a genuine homophobe. The stuff where she was claiming knowledge of Kathleen's character made me a bit uncomfortable, and the jury ought to have seen straight through it, but I suppose that's a standard tactic and it obviously works.

Have you done some reading on it? That squirrely little wanker who was doing the blood for the prosecution was just a lying arsehole. He claimed to have worked on hundreds of cases, written for x amount of journals, etc, and it was all bullshit. He'd been on a two day blood course a few years previously, written about ten papers, and the Peterson case was only his third jury trial. His work on the fourth was so bad it was used to sack him. You can't help but think that if the jury knew that they'd have trusted Lee implicitly by comparison and he'd have been found not guilty.

There's an 'owl theory' that's worth reading too.

[Samadini]

Very good, mostly because I had no idea how it was going to go, right up until the verdict. I haven't done any reading yet, just in case the other episode (seems to be and hour and half long film made in 2013) has anything telling that I'd want to watch first, will get on it tonight.

[John Arne]

That ninth episode isn't very good, if it's the I downloaded, too. It's a BBC thing that doesn't really spread any else onto the case.

[The Merse]

Updates to serial season 1 have been posted up in the last couple of days. Interesting stuff.

[Giggles]

Updates to serial season 1 have been posted up in the last couple of days. Interesting stuff.

Seen those pop up as I've subscribed but haven't listened to any as I'm waiting til the summer when there's no NFL or soccer podcasts to listen to. Are they changing the story or clarifying stuff or what? Suppose it won't really make sense until I listen but would I be better listening to these straight after series 1 before going on to 2?

[The Merse]

Seen those pop up as I've subscribed but haven't listened to any as I'm waiting til the summer when there's no NFL or soccer podcasts to listen to. Are they changing the story or clarifying stuff or what? Suppose it won't really make sense until I listen but would I be better listening to these straight after series 1 before going on to 2?

Spoiler just for the benifit of those that haven't finished season 1:

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The updates are from a hearing on whether Adnan gets a re-trial. They're only 30 mins in total and from the sounds of it, further updates won't be in podcast form due to season 2 commitments. Season 2 has nothing to do with season 1, it's a completely different story. Far more moralistic too, as opposed to talking about 'the law' as such - at least where I'm up to (just finished ep 3).

You're as well listening to the two updates whilst season 1 is fresh in the mind and whilst interesting as a follow up, there's nothing MASSIVE'. Unless the retrial is granted, in which case you'll probably hear about it from other sources this week anyway.

[Giggles]

I couldn't help myself but to click on that

[The Merse]

I couldn't help myself but to click on that

Don't worry. I could really have put 'spoiler for those who've listened to less than 2 minutes of episode 1'. It's not much of a series for spoilers really. At least not in an overarching sense.

[Giggles]

Ah it doesn't really matter as it might be heavy going on the road driving anyway, which is the only place I get to listen to podcasts.

[Boydy]

Only tangentially related in it's a documentary about a prisoner but this is seriously good - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...the-fear-of-13

[Boydy]

Only tangentially related in it's a documentary about a prisoner but this is seriously good - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...the-fear-of-13

No one's watched this, have they? Watch it. It's incredibly good. Also, you've only got 20 days left.

[Samadini]

I watched it a couple of nights ago actually, I forgot to say. Cheers for the heads up, definitely a good watch.

[Magic]

Season 2 confirmed, apparently. Can't help but thinking it'll be boring, circumstantial shite.

Paradise Lost was the best one out of the lot.

[Alex]

Yeah, I really don't see how there's a second season in this. The first one took them ten years to make, and obviously a lot of work and detail went into it. What else is there to say though?

[Henry]

Maybe it's a separate story? i.e. unrelated to the first series?

[Magic]

Maybe it's a separate story? i.e. unrelated to the first series?

No, it's entirely related. It's all about Avery and Dassey and NEW EVIDENCE.

To be honest, there's better out there and if it hadn't been for NETFLIX MARKETING it wouldn't nearly have received this much attention.

[Giggles]

Maybe it's a separate story? i.e. unrelated to the first series?

I'm hoping that, but I fear it's going to be a rushed cash-in on the first series.

[Charlie]

They'll get access to much deeper information with Netflix behind them and the publicity. That will be where they will make the second series.

[Magic]

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I love it. Michael Peterson is a DUDE. I'm only half way through so don't ruin it. I love the way the DA finds out he's a raging homo and that basically makes him guilty.

"If you said a relationship, no, not at all. Kathleen satisfied that in every way, I felt complete. If, on the other hand, you said a BBC gay orgy with ex-military men, then the answer would be yes."

Then it turns out his best mate's wife was also found at the bottom of a staircase.

SERIAL KILLER. Pretty damn good so far. But it's the same ridiculous prosecution attempts, do they honestly believe the shite that comes out their mouths? And the prosecution experts .

[John Arne]

The Staircase:

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I love it. Michael Peterson is a DUDE. I'm only half way through so don't ruin it. I love the way the DA finds out he's a raging homo and that basically makes him guilty.

"If you said a relationship, no, not at all. Kathleen satisfied that in every way, I felt complete. If, on the other hand, you said a BBC gay orgy with ex-military men, then the answer would be yes."

Then it turns out his best mate's wife was also found at the bottom of a staircase.

SERIAL KILLER. Pretty damn good so far. But it's the same ridiculous prosecution attempts, do they honestly believe the shite that comes out their mouths? And the prosecution experts .

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She's a fucking horrible bitch.

That scene was genuinely one of the best moments of TV for a long time... 'oh yeah.... turns out his closest friend also died in exactly the same circumstances'.

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http://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/pic-maki...viction/533919

[Pepe]

Surprised the cause of death isn't listed as 'LOL.'

[Magic]

Fucking hell @ The Staircase.

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David Rudolf is some man, working pro-bono for more than a decade after Peterson was jailed. He had to give it up in 2014 as he was skint. Interesting about the Owl Theory.

[SvN]

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It seems crazy to me that he's been waiting for a new trial since 2011. What the fuck is going on?

I wonder he'd accept a guilty plea in exchange for time served.

[Magic]

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I thought he said he'd refused any guilty plea or any proposed guilty plea? He's basically free just now, but still a convicted murderer? It's disgusting about that cunt SBI agent lying about the blood spatter, did you know he also witheld evidence in another trial that caused a life sentence for another guy? He's been freed now too. The state, the DA etc were a total fucking shambles here.

[SvN]

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He did, but having spent all of those years in prison, I wonder if his opinion would change after 5 years of "freedom" again. His house arrest was lifted in 2014 so he's basically free for the time being.
And yeah, that bald headed fucker Duane Deaver should be in prison for what he did. As it stands, he just got fired from what I can see. And then appealed and won. http://www.wral.com/state-panel-awar...-pay/14160120/. How fucking ridiculous.

[John]

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That weasely little shitbag should have been laughed out of the room the moment that report with fifty techniques he didn't even know about appeared. The extent to which he'd exaggerated his credentials was disgusting.

'One of the best', indeed. Henry Lee you smiley twat.

[Magic]

The woman who did the autopsy was a smug cunt as well. She's now N.C's chief medical examiner.

[Yevrah]

Making a Murderer is coming back.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/ne...rendan-dassey/

Not sure how they'll fill the episodes given basically nothing's happened inbetween times.

[Magic]

What's coming back? Who the fuck is Stuart Avery?

[Giggles]

Blatant cash-in. I'll pass this time round.

[Alex]

Yeah, fuck that. What more is there to be said on the matter at this point? I thought the original run of it was very good too, but wasn't it about ten years in the making or something? I really don't think the subsequent six or seven months since it was released warrant a second season.

[Magic]

It's amazing how literally nobody gives a shit about this anymore.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I heard about a second season ages ago but I was hoping they'd move on to a different case.

Yeah we appealed and got rejected...

Going to be fascinating.

[Shindig]

That's the problem with documentaries that don't have a clear conclusion. I watched an awesome one the other day entitled "The Man Who Ate Himself to Death." He topped himself so early in the thing the last 15 minutes are filler.

[John]

It is funny just how little you hear about Avery after just about everyone was fucking furious about it six months ago.

[Pepe]

Well what else is anyone supposed to say about it?

Sequel sounds shit.

[Magic]

Well shit. Dassey has had his conviction overturned.

[Giggles]

Well shit. Dassey has had his conviction overturned.

That's out of the blue.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Good. He should never have been convicted.