Just finished it, Dolores is a rock.
No idea if he did it, but there's no way it was proven beyond reasonable doubt. The kid should be released immediately.
Just finished it, Dolores is a rock.
No idea if he did it, but there's no way it was proven beyond reasonable doubt. The kid should be released immediately.
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What a default response. Explosions? Hahaha you mug.
I just though it was boring once it was nothing but courtroom footage, that's all.
I'm a twit
There wasn't enough Baz, Mike or The Reid to make it entertaining for him.
It's very good but it's not best or second best TV show ever good.
3rd for me after Southland and the first series of True Detective. Though if you count True Detective as a whole then it drops to somewhere behind Home Improvement and moves MoM up to 2nd.
Probably not but I don't watch that much TV. What's better in your opinion?
1 Goodnight Sweetheart
2 Workaholics
3 MOTD
4 Fringe
5 Doing Stuff A Bit
I'm a twit
True Detective, while very good for a time, relatively shat itself at the end and turned into formulaic mince.
24 Season 1 remains the best thing I've ever seen (I watched it all in a day knowing nothing going in), but this pushes that close.
Okay, done.
I'd like to say I was shocked, but you hear about so much injustice in the US that it's difficult to be so.
That said, it evoked genuine pathos at times - the despair in Steven's voice when he finds out Jody has left him stood out for me.
It did go on a bit too long, the last few episodes dragged a bit. They probably could have cut it down to eight instead of ten.
Possibly a bit one-sided? Yeah, why not interview the prosecutors, police etc. and allow them to give their views?
Brendan Dassey is certainly innocent. The lawyer and the investigators who were involved with him need to be doing prison time themselves.
I'm less sure about Steven Avery. There's no credible alternative theory as to how the bones got there for instance, and there's apparently some evidence that we didn't see. It's possible both that he was the killer and that there was police misconduct in his case. Either way there is reasonable doubt and the system being so fucked means that any conviction is unsafe.
There's also no credible primary theory about how he killed her in the manner described and managed to remove all trace evidence so thoroughly that even the cast of CSI couldn't find it.
The omitted evidence from the documentary is all hokum.
Which isn't to say he didn't do it, but I've seen nothing within the show and outside it that convinces me he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Agree with you entirely on Dassey, the whole thing was sickening.
I don't think it's the best show I've ever seen or anything like it, I'll add.
The Wire has that honour by some distance.
That's the second time I've read that in a couple of days about The Wire. Is it that good? I never remember hearing much about it from people or on here before.
I watched the first 10 episodes and gave up due to it being a tedious borefest.
That said, me and the mate I watched it with are seemingly the only people in the entire world who've seen (a fair bit of) it and think that.
The Wire demands patience and concentration. It's not an easy watch, admittedly.
I gave it 10 hours and was losing the will to live well before that point.
If that wasn't sarcasm from Giggles then fucking hell. It came up so much in the TV thread on the old board that there was a recognised ritual and about fifteen tags dedicated to it.
As good as this was, the impact of the realisation that the American justice system is a huge bowl of steaming piss was diluted somewhat by having watched a load of John Oliver. He's had people on who've ended up doing fifteen years because of a parking fine that they only couldn't pay because collection of said fine was farmed out to a company who applied any payment to their own fees first. Once you've seen that sort of shit you realise that the scope for people to get fucked up the arse in that system is infinite.
The first few episodes were great, but I thought it reached a point of diminishing returns about halfway through, when the sheer weight of cuntery was so great that nothing else could really add to the outrage.
I'd suggest that people who were most captivated when the show was pissing them off were probably watching it wrong (similarly to how people who cringe at David Brent, in the office at least, didn't get that either).
Sure, there was a certain element of enjoyment feeling the rage boil, but it was really at its best for me when it became a whodunnit and about whether he'd get off or not.
I really hadn't noticed. I knew it was watched and all but never that it was 'best ever' territory.
I've just finished watching the series so before I go and read the rest of this thread (thanks for not spoiling Yevrah!) I have to say that that was absolutely fucked up from start to finish. It makes you feel sick to your stomach, especially for Brendan. Poor git.
I'm still sat here wondering what the hell I've just watched.
Definitely worth the watch. I really liked McNulty.
I don't think it is the kind of show you want to be binging, which seems to be your preference.
I was the same and that was a few episodes into season 2.
The Staircase.
I mentioned this on the last page, but I don't think anyone noted it.
This is another real footage murder case, however, this is from 2004 - and you can see how it influenced Making A Murderer - it's very similar in style.
Get it downloaded - it's very, very good - with equal amounts of "for fucks sake" moments.
Is it a series as well or just a one-off?
I still haven't managed to find The Jinx. Well not in a format I can cast anyway. Is there nothing similar to Netflix that has some of the missing stuff on it?
8 episodes, 40 minutes each. It flows a little quicker than MaM.
A source would be appreciated
I watched The Jinx after MaM and Serial. It was fantastic. Totally different, and way more "Drama, mate", but the last episode was outstanding.
I'm downloadng The Staircase now, hopefully it will be in the same ballpark as the 3 mentioned above.
A source for a download?
Yeah, if you have one
I have all of Serial downloaded and on a playlist but there's just too many other podcasts even with the amount of driving I do. Doubt I'll ever get round to it. I might buy the Jinx though to try that. The DVD is only around 15 quid on Amazon.
Season one of Serial is outstanding. I can't recommend it enough.
I got it from Piratebay.
Just finished it there, wasn't as addicted to it as MaM but in retrospect it built up utterly superbly to the last two episodes, both of which completely floored me. Completely. The thing with MaM is the inevitability of it all. You knew it was always headed that way, no matter how preposterous it got. Its the complete opposite of Durst. Plus I loved the production of it, the recreations were fantastic.
Wow.
What's this all kicking off on Reddit by the way about some German who had access to an Incinerator and links to Halbach? Also a burn pit can't reach the temps required to do that sort of damage to bones. Teeth survive, there were no teeth. Apparently it needed cat 5 burning, which is incinerator level, the Averys have a smeltor which melts metal, not disintegrate bone.
plus the Manitowac cops actually lost one of the burn barrels. Lol at that.
The new lawyer for Avery came out arguing the burn pit temperatures would never be high enough without burning down Avery's house.
Just started on jinx, totally different but I'm looking forward to the story.
Presumably you'd need some sort of insane fuel to reach 3000C.
I've just finished "The Staircase" which had my jaw on the floor. Another similar docuseries that gets recommendation from me. Currently downloading the sequel.
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Hydrogen would do.
Mixed with pure oxygen? You couldn't achieve those temps with any fuel on am open bonfire, basically?
Are you an engineer?
You bet your ass he is.
Basically.
#teamengineer solves the Avery case.
Where does the 3000 C number come from though?
Its where a forensic burn specialist said to achieve the level of burn on Halbach's bone you'd need cat5 burns which is the highest level, 3000C. Even her teeth melted which requires that temp.
Sounds a bit high to me.
Shite, I meant F.
Letter from Ken Kratz to Avery, apparently posted on Twitter by his lawyer.
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Fucking hell.
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