I thought the 96-97 lawyers were really good too.
I thought the 96-97 lawyers were really good too.
Just finished watching this and don't have much to add beyond what has already been said but Dassey needs to be released immediately. Avery has probably been indoctrinated to an extent from his previous stint but Dassey is a cunthair off a full retard and the poor kid needs to be out.
As others have said I think Avery did it but nothing like they said but there's too much reasonable doubt for him to be put away. Dassey definitely had nothing to do with any of it.
Massively engaging documentary.
I can't find the Jinx. Is there anywhere to watch it legit?
Apparently 'The Staircase' is another worth watching if you enjoyed this.
That Sheriff going on TV and saying "why would we frame Steve Avery when it would be easier to kill him?" or words to that effect
Manitowoc County just seems to be exclusively populated by cunts and weirdos.
Yeah, when I saw that I just pictured the conversation they must have had at some point. "No, let's frame him instead just to be safe, nobody will suspect anything as it would have been a lot easier to just kill him".Originally Posted by Max Power
That Sheriff going on TV and saying "why would we frame Steve Avery when it would be easier to kill him?" or words to that effect
Manitowoc County just seems to be exclusively populated by cunts and weirdos.
In a sense he's right though, it seems like it would have been a lot simpler for them to just either find a pretext or just sneak up and kill him. Morally, it certainly must have been easier for, say LENK or RYAN to just kill him, than go through the trouble of killing & burning Teresa Halbach - and all the stuff surrounding.
People thinking he did it: Why do you think so and how do you think he did it?
"So basically you were working for the prosecution whilst representing the defendant?"
"...*sobs* ...sorry I keep thinking about that blue ribbon."
Was my favourite bit.
That was pathetic.
What was that all about? Did I completely miss something?
Finished this earlier today.
Can't believe they still thought it was appropriate to have Colborn chaperone BOTH of them to prison after they had been found guilty
They probably have like five cops in the whole department.
So there was 3 people better suited to that job then.
True.
What's the difference between the sheriff and the actual cop departments?
Nothing really. It's a geographical jurisdiction distinction - Sheriffs control counties, whereas cops control cities and towns.
Realised I missed this at the time.
That can be the goal as much as you like, but people (when doing the same thing over and over again) become institutionalised, it's just human nature.
It's the biggest (and probably only reason) to have a jury of your peers and for me it's a reason that outweighs all the other negatives of that system.
Greg Gutfield (I know) was suggesting on his show yesterday that the documentary failed to include reference several key pieces of physical evidence against the geezer.
That claim originated from Ken Kratz (of all people) and has largely been debunked. There's also a lot of evidence supporting him that was left out. 10 hours simply isn't enough time to include everything, so the filmmakers left out the less important stuff.
I read the other evidence and it doesn't change the show. I'm on episode 8 and still can't decide if he did it. Dassey is the biggest victim by the looks of things.
Avery has a new lawyer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-lawyer.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Zellner
She looks filth.
Seems to have a good track record aswell.
Looking at that link again, they need to get Brendan Dassey out of prison ASAP, preferably before he eats himself to death.
At least he got his high school diploma.
I suppose bulking up would be a half decent way of deterring bum rapists though.
He wouldn't be particularly hard to abuse, would he?
He's probably just being forced to give tit wanks now.
Just finished this. Man it got seriously boring once it was just courtroom.
I'm a twit
It was so these two. Look at that.
Just finished smashing through this.
There's no way any logical person can be sure one way or another who killed that girl. You can see what the prosecution have done in working the sentimental aspect and just ignoring all of the logical, sometimes obvious, flaws in that exist. What I don't understand is why the prosecution were able to have clearly a non independent person conduct the car blood sample testing. It's just baffling that that was allowed, and even upheld despite being shown to be completely non compliant.
I thought the documentary tried to appear to be balanced, while definitely serving on averys side. However, it some sense it's almost karma that now there's really well spread public knowledge to cast doubt. In the original trial the news has plastered out the prosecutions unfounded belief of what had happened.
It should hopefully push for a re-trial. Now the defence would have to effectively prove his guilt, which is what they should have been doing in the first place. It would be interested to find out how this documentary has landed in Wisconsin.
If there is a re-trial, you better BELIEVE that there will be some astronomical coverage of that. I mean if they were allowed to be filming in the courtroom the first time.... Imagine if the just live-broadcasted this for weeks or months or whatever time it would take.
It would be like when you're in England and one of these never-ending Cricket matches are on TV, and it just stands there while noone is watching - except anyone English occasionally stops, folds their arms and observes for a few minutes before moving on.
I don't really know what they could do with any re-trial to bring any sort of impartial result to result to it now.
The same thing all over again, except with a new Jury that's biased the other way this time.
The purpose of a retrial would be to identify guilt without reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt has been highlighted pretty clearly and the layers of the procesuctions methods shown to be clearly flawed.
Given the time that's elapsed it would be really interesting to do a re-test the method used for the Edca or whatever to understand whether it had any bearing.
Whats concerning for me is that we've got no inclination of what actually happened to her. If the propane truck drivers testimony is right in that the green suv did leave the plot then we have absolutely no idea where she went or what she did. Everything presented by the prosecution that was suggestive of the event taking place on the property was circumstantial or unfounded. It doesn't seem at any point that anyone actually looked at it and questioned where else she might have been.
Going to try and get my sister to watch through it. She's technically a lawyer so would be interesting to see if she basically thinks it's a nonsense or not.
I understand what the purpose of a re-trial would be () I've just got no fucking idea how you pull together an impartial jury for one.
Main thing is that unless new evidence is found I don't see what the basis of a re-trial would be. I guess if you could prove the jury was bent it could happen, but then that would also count as new evidence. Maybe if some populist politician goes balls deep into it.
I don't think there will be one unless new evidence comes to light.
There won't be. And in a months time people will be onto some other TV show and nobody will give a shit.
True.
All my ex colleagues were going rabid over it.
Not going to read the thread, as I'm just about to go onto episode 6, but just to note that this is an exceptional show.
It is indeed, one of the best I've ever seen.
Probably #2 after The Wire for me. Can't wait for other similar shows to appear and the inevitable disappointment that will come with them.
Episodes 6 to 9 are boring. The rest is great though, especially 2 to 4.
I'm a twit
The fuck are they boring. Not enough explosions for you?
I can't really see much rivalling it due to it being absolute happenstance that the documentary team were on site at the right time to get the level of footage they did, which is what made the show so good.
Check out The Staircase from 2004. I'm halfway though, and it's very good so far.
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