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    If you watched the staircase it explains how it's possible.

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    In great detail.

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    It's nearly a year ago now that Dassey's conviction was overturned. He's still in prison.

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    Land of the free. Except when you're wrongly imprisoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    If you watched the staircase it explains how it's possible.
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    In great detail.
    I meant a plausible explanation. Not a load of bollocks being spouted by the defence.

    You've got to be a moron to believe that she tried to get up a few times and repeatedly banged her head.

    Are you 2 morons?

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    While I wouldn't necessarily go so far as Dquincy, Henry Lee's testimony was dreadful, which was perhaps more him than the defence's explanation, but when I read the owl theory and thought that was the most plausible explanation I did need to give my head a wobble as to why I bought into her falling down the stairs so convincingly.

    The jury did him by Occam's Razor.

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    I liked the owl theory. Made more sense than falling or him killing her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I liked the owl theory. Made more sense than falling or him killing her.
    Surely there would be a fair few more feathers at the (crime) scene if it was an owl.

    Hey i found the chap quite affable, but struggle to find another logical reason for the incident.

    However, when they read out the verdict it truly shocked me as i was not expecting that. Great drama.

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    Damn, I read most of the posts about this The Stairwell thinking it was somehow related to MaM, and now I guess I know how it ends.

    Is it still worth watching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazuuurk View Post
    Damn, I read most of the posts about this The Stairwell thinking it was somehow related to MaM, and now I guess I know how it ends.

    Is it still worth watching?
    Definitely worth watching. And anything said above is not giving the game away.

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    Cool will prolly give it a go then

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    Bit late to the party on Making a Murderer, but I'm 3 episodes in. It's fucking good, but I'm not sure why I'm watching when it just pisses me off.

    Looks like The Staircase is on iPlayer so I'll give that a look whenever I finish this.

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    Looking back its actually one sided boring turd.

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    I can't see The Staircase on iplayer but they have the OJ Storyville episode which I might watch.

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    For some reason it doesn't come up in the normal search but if you google it it comes up under a slightly different name. I assume this is it as other sites have the same show listed as 'The Staircase'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/p04gftq7

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    Much obliged. That's my weekend sorted.

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    Unless there's more bizarre shit to come out that isn't even square one. It's game over.

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    That's batshit.

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    That is mental. Obvs Avery did it but the disabled kid got shafted big time.

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    It's back. Season 2 on Netflix now.

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    Why? Fuck all has happened since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Why? Fuck all has happened since.
    Other than the Brendan will he/wont he be released thing.

    Seems kind of pointless and I've not bothered with it yet.

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    I’m sticking the first new episode on now.

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    People still care about this?

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    I watched the first episode tonight. Fairly tame stuff, pretty much a catchup episode. Hopefully the rest of the series has more to it.

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    Yeah, just watched the first episode as well. Watching with my housemate so it’ll probably take a month to get through all ten episodes, but I’m assuming nothing much is going to happen in terms of actual progress.

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    I wonder if they pushed this out due to some contractual obligation with Netflix?

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    Going into the last episode of this new season, and after hours of redditing I’m still massively on the fence about it all. I came away from season 1 in much the same manner as Yev in the opening post - baffled and somewhat forlorn. Then after much further reading, Moreno doubting if eithers innocence and simply feeling that Dasseys conviction was entirely unsafe and Amerys was less so, and that on the balance of probability, at least the latter was involved.

    Anyone swayed massively away from their thoughts of two years ago?

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    I haven't watched it yet but I left season 1 feeling they both should have been found innocent.

    Dassey's case should have been thrown out because the moronic police and whilst I believe that Avery did it, there's not enough there to claim he's guilty beyond doubt.

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    Started watching the new one. I thought it would be shit but so far it has been quite good.

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    Still haven't watched any of the new season (will start this week or next) but:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47380658

    Avery has won a motion to appeal based on possible human bones found in a gravel pit.

    His lawyer says they were not tested for DNA and were given to the Halbach family, a violation of state law.

    Kathleen Zellner, who filed the motion, said the return of the bones meant that potentially crucial evidence in the case had been kept from further testing.

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    Zellner is a boss.

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    If the bones - found near the Avery property - are found to belong to Ms Halbach, Ms Zellner says it undermines the prosecution's theory that she was killed on the Avery property.
    How does that work?

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    It goes against their theory, but doesn't really do him any favours.

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    Let's be honest, him actually doing it would probably the most interesting conclusion to this.

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    Watched the first 5 now and I echo Pepe's statement about Zellner.

    I finished the first season believing that Avery more than likely did it but would have found him innocent due to a lack of evidence, I'm now starting to believe that he is innocent. The amount of shit she's turned up that his previous legal team didn't mention or didn't look into is staggering.

    Still completely miffed that the seventh circuit ruled Dassey's 'confession' to be legit too.

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    Dassey's storyline is heartbreaking.

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    I only watched the first episode of this, but the reaction of pretty much everyone baffles me. He seems like a massive scum bag. What happens to change that?

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    That there’s not much credible evidence that he did the things he’s accused of.

    A potentially innocent scumbag if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Dassey's storyline is heartbreaking.
    It's genuinely baffling how so many high profile courts and judges can look at the confession tape and think it's legit.

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    The US is run by massive assholes.

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    Finished the second season.

    Really didn't think we'd get to the actual truth after everything the Calumet County Police did but I think Zellner () managed it. I'm firmly in camp Bobby (what a wrong'un) and Scott.

    I love that Zellner pretty much found the bullshit in every single thing that prosecution claimed, she's great.

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    rip.

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    Really straining for that segue, Kath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry View Post
    Finished the second season.

    Really didn't think we'd get to the actual truth after everything the Calumet County Police did but I think Zellner () managed it. I'm firmly in camp Bobby (what a wrong'un) and Scott.

    I love that Zellner pretty much found the bullshit in every single thing that prosecution claimed, she's great.
    Is the 2nd season worth a watch? I'm presuming it doesn't reach the levels of the first season?

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    I'd say it's worth a watch.

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    I wonder what percentage of people in US prisons are actually innocent. Considering the shit their police pull it must be pretty high.

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    Have just started re-listening to the Serial series. 5 episodes in and I still can't gauge a confident opinion on whether he did it or not.

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