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    What the fuck are these reviews?

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    Speaking as an umpire, bowlers are always absolutely clueless about those ones where the batsman kicks it. They are out far less often than people think.

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    Yeah. Historically I've always felt those are (were) more given on general principle of 'what are you doing leaving that?' rather than actual likelihood of hitting the stumps, which, or course, DRS has now shat all over.

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    Exactly. Shit umpires at league level love to give them for that reason (same for any time you miss a sweep shot or especially a reverse sweep), but Test umpires are just going to lol you away.

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    It seems we're going full on for the win here, which isn't necessarily how I'd have played it, but it should be interesting.

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    Suppose you could lose the next 3 tosses and never really find yourself in a position to force a win in the series. Go for it.

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    I guess so, as if we go 1-0 up then they will probably shit themselves and prepare ripping turners as per 2012, which turns the whole thing into a lottery.

    I'm just a bit afraid of our spinners lacking sufficient control.

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    7 overs in 40 minutes?

    It's our own stupid fault for letting it happen, but really the ICC shouldn't allow this sort of shit.

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    Umpires have been really good so far, but the 3rd umpire has had an absolute shocker with that Bess review. Clearly wallops it onto pad, all camera angles pretty much backing it up.

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    I know the #intent memeing is fucking annoying and that Shane warne would want teams to declare about 50 runs ahead, but wtf was the point of the last 30 mins or so?

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    30 less minutes for them to knock these off.

    Or, as they said in comms, maybe they just want the bowlers as fresh as possible with the newer ball as that's when the damage can be done? Be nice to nick a few out before the close.

    I thought the Bess one looked pad first, or at least "too close to call" but I didn't pay too much attention to the replays.

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    There was an angle from behind the bowler where it pretty clearly came off the middle into the pad. 3rd umpire then used UltraEdge and just said "Yeah pad first" when the side-on camera view was from the wrong side. Not that it matters too much, but it was pretty bad.

    Not fussed about us batting on. When you're predicted to lose a series 3 or 4-0 like this one, why not play a little more conservatively and prevent the chance of a loss. Everyone seems to be forgetting that it was in Chennai that India chased down 388 in under 100 overs with absolute ease, against England on the last day.

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    Leach

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    That was a peach.

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    Needed that. Everything was looking a bit flat.

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    Re the declaration, I think they were just trying to make sure India can't win, in terms of both time and runs (probably went a bit quicker than anticipated earlier in the innings thanks to the expert captain Kohli leaving the sweep open for Root).

    If we'd left 400 and given them 90 minutes to bat then an 80/0 at close scenario gets them in the game. In this scenario they're not in the game in terms of winning it.

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    I'm up early for this and Leach has bowled so beautifully. Pujara gone off the front edge and the BCCI commentators sounded absolutely crestfallen.

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    Up at five to five witnessing perhaps the greatest of all Jimmy's many overs. Cleaned up Gill first nut, then got Rahane out with both of his two deliveries (the first one turned down by umps).

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    Can hear the sadness in Gavaskarís voice as I turn the TV on.

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    When Pujara was out it was like he'd died; funereal silence, just moments after they'd been showing clips of Jack Leach's one step warm up drill and 'Sunny' had been criticising him for doing that to warm up instead of bowling properly.

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    That was a proper mid 90's home umpire call right there.

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    They've really come into their own today, Rahane was fucking out the ball before he was cleaned up.

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    Jofra trying to blast Ashwin out of the series with injury

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    Modern batsmen really do not have the faintest idea how to play the short ball.

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    So genuine question, how do you play the short ball? I can only think of playing defensively until you get a couple of softer balls to work with?

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    Insane. I like to bore people with Jamie Vardyís form since 30 but Jimmy is just another level.

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    This might even be done before I head to the office. Fair play to England, a properly consummate subcontinental performance, and among the very last things I was expecting from this game. Big toss to win, but you have to make the most of it.

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    Turning on just before work to see that score then a couple of wickets fall is lovely stuff.

    I can't find a video of Jimmy's full over on a website that will let me watch it here but the wickets were lovely. We've had a fair few quality deliveries here, to be fair.

    Anderson is ridiculous though.

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    What a fucking win.

    I think the only possible conclusion to come to is that we're an unstoppable test cricket juggernaut and will definitely be whitewashing the Aussies at the end of the year.

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    One of the great Test performances from an England team in recent years.

    Be interesting to see if the decree comes from on high for dust bowls in the next three.

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    Looking at that list of England captains by wins etc, old 'Vaughany' ([My Cousin] Vaughannie? MV?) must seethe himself to bits all the time at the lack of a Sirhood.

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    Sir Andrew Strauss got one for being posh, and Sir Alastair Cook got one for scoring loads of runs (presumably), so Vaughan just misses out on both counts I think. Thank god. Hard to imagine Sir Jimmy won't be minted at some point. Anderson, that is, not me.

    I'm not sure what India will do with the pitches now. This next one is one the same ground and the groundsmen had allegedly never been a cricket groundsman before this Test (which seems mental), so I'm not sure they can turn around a spitting cobra that easily even if they want to, which they shouldn't. As soon as you make a pitch spin wildly then it just brings bang average bowlers like Bess into the game.

    At the same time, a load of flat ones would benefit us from 1-0 up if we wanted to, and were able to, bat long in both innings.

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    Bess would need to land a few for that to be the case, think Iíd bring Mo back in for him next test.

    This pitch is probably the ideal one India would want at home, IF they win the toss. Or if they lose it and England (specifically Root) donít bat as well as they did.

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    I know Root has paid lip service to it but how much do the England team / setup actually care about the test championship? Is it three tests I saw we need to win in this series?

    If push comes to shove and we need to choose between taking a risk to push for a win or being more cautious to protect a series lead we'll prioritise the series, right?

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    They'll go full minefield if they can.

    Just use the same pitch again. Literally the same one. Day 1 abandonment material.

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    Their spinners didn't bowl that well - whilst I appreciate the logic of picking a dogshit left arm spinner vs England, Shahbaz Nadeem ain't it, and I know trashwin got poles in the second dig but he was pretty scoreable in the first. I imagine they'll dispense with Nadeem for Kuldeep next up, and maybe even bring Jadeja in for Sundar if they can get him out of the oxygen tent.

    Ishant and Bumrah were more of a problem with the reverse swing.

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    Just watched it there. The umpires dismay as Anderson rocks up for the 2nd wicket after he doesn’t send Rahane packing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Just watched it there. The umpires dismay as Anderson rocks up for the 2nd wicket after he doesn’t send Rahane packing
    Yeah that's pretty incredible. Almost a head in hands moment as Anderson wheels away.

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    On that second wicket the umpire does genuinely look like he's going "Oh for fuck's sake."

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    Interesting.

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    An NZ Aus final would be great spectator sport, firstly to see if Aus would actually trouble themselves to turn up to an away series for once (their behaviour re SA has been truly shameful), and also because people here would be supporting NZ in that probably more than they support England in a normal Test.

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    Nah stuff going to South Africa jeeez louise.

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    They made six separate demands about arrangements, CSA fulfilled all of them at great expense, and then they cancelled anyway, just because. I used to think CA was the least evil of the big three boards but it's probably the most evil these days.

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    If it ends up being Australia v New Zealand are they realistically going to have it at Lords without one or both of them absolutely shitting themselves?

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    I heard it will end up being at the Hedge End Megadrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    They made six separate demands about arrangements, CSA fulfilled all of them at great expense, and then they cancelled anyway, just because. I used to think CA was the least evil of the big three boards but it's probably the most evil these days.

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    Definitely fuck CA Im all aboard there

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    Archer being injured raises the interesting, and obviously unintended prospect of Jimmy and, erm, Stuart riding again in tandem. Unless we call their bunsen bluff and just draft Moeen in.

    Win the toss and bat for three days this time boys. Where are we going next? Tell me it's Nagpur.

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    Ahmedabad for two tests, I believe.

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    Ahmedabad for two. Bit of a graveyard for us, that, I believe it's where we quite brilliantly played Tim Bresnan ahead of Panesar in the first Test in 12/13 and got pied. India got very excited by that and inexplicably rolled out two snakepits followed by Nagpur, the perfect three card trick to somehow allow us to win 2-1.

    Not sure what they do from behind. I'd stick with the flat ones and hope to win the toss / hope for Joe Root to descend from god tier at some point, because we remain fundamentally quite bad at batting.

    Jos going home will probably be fairly costly, not because Foakes is bad, but because they all seem to love Jos and he seems to be around for all our better moments.

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