Grief Junkies and marks of respect

[ScousePig]

Rather apt at the moment, and we had something similar on the old board with the increasing amount we're seeing of minute's silences, applauds and a show of respect or remembrance on a certain minute of the game.

This thread has been triggered particularly because of the news that Jimmy Hill has Alzheimer's, which triggered this thread on the SMB. Long story short, he cheated once which caused Sunderland to be relegated and has been a hate figure ever since. Which is fair enough (though others might disagree). The discussion moved on to if a hypothetical minute's silence were to be observed at the SOL, and people's reactions. The general consensus seems to be that although they hate Hill, most fans would observe the silence, since dying of Alzheimers >>> anything football related. Others would not and would choose to stay on the concourse or out of the ground until the minute's silence, whereas others would actively show disrespect by booing and chanting through the silence, which seems like a bit of a dick move to me.

So yeah, silences, applauses, grief junkies etc.

[Disco]

I don't think there's anything wrong with paying respect to prominent figures, if you don't like it don't take part but booing or otherwise disrupting it is a dicks game.

[Magic]

With all the majestic cuntery in the world what's wrong with showing respect for people who have actually achieved things in life?

[Reg]

Agreed with Magic, I really don't empathise with the complaints. It seems to me you'd have to have a pretty big ego to not observe a minute's silence. (In the vast, vast majority of cases. It's not like we're being told to respect horrible people is it?)

[John]

Disrupting a minute's silence, no matter who or what it's for, is the behaviour of a proper cunt.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If it was Hitler then that would be one thing, but somebody who once cheated in a football match?

[Yevrah]

I'm not really sure where the grief junky aspect comes into this thread.

[ScousePig]

With all the majestic cuntery in the world what's wrong with showing respect for people who have actually achieved things in life?

One of the points in the case in the OP is that Jimmy Hill achieved something bad/wrong and got away with it, rather than him achieving something good.

[ScousePig]

I'm not really sure where the grief junky aspect comes into this thread.

With regards my example it doesn't at all, but marks of respect are tied in with the grief junkie 'culture' so I made an all-encompassing thread.

[Spammer]

There's a campaign to boycott Zoolander 2 because of the Benedict Cumberbatch's portrayal of someone who's gender fluid.

Is this an example of being a grief junkie or is it just to do with people being dead? It's a bit lol either way.

[Pepe]

With all the majestic cuntery in the world what's wrong with showing respect for people who have actually achieved things in life?

Things like dying?

[Lewis]

I wouldn't say a silence for Jimmy Hill would be grief-jacking. He was a pioneer and relevant to football as a whole.

[wullie]

Sunderland should have just won their game so Jimmy Hill wouldn't have been able to cheat.

[Danny]

Had Stoke won they would have stayed up but that was played a couple of days before.

[Giggles]

It's not just football. The world loves a bit of grief these days.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's not just football. The world loves a bit of grief these days.

Probably because we're so individualistic that it's one of the few things that stops us arguing.

[Magic]

One of the points in the case in the OP is that Jimmy Hill achieved something bad/wrong and got away with it, rather than him achieving something good.

Jesus Christ it isn't like he fucked dead kids in a morgue, is it?

[Magic]

Things like dying?

Pure hilar, mate.

[ScousePig]

Jesus Christ it isn't like he fucked dead kids in a morgue, is it?

No shit sherlock.

[ScousePig]

Sunderland should have just won their game so Jimmy Hill wouldn't have been able to cheat.

Sunderland win a game?

Seriously though, is that the general view from Coventry fans?

[Magic]

No shit sherlock.

I doubt there would be a minutes' silence at every ground for Hill. It's like the kraut kunt Kaiser if he popped his clogs I'd be dismayed at Leeds fans booing a minutes' silence even if he was a cheating cunt. As before though there wouldn't be one.

[Giggles]

Probably because we're so individualistic that it's one of the few things that stops us arguing.

So attention seeking that it's a battle to look more grief stricken than everyone else. The whole culture in this age is attention driven.

[ScousePig]

I doubt there would be a minutes' silence at every ground for Hill. It's like the kraut kunt Kaiser if he popped his clogs I'd be dismayed at Leeds fans booing a minutes' silence even if he was a cheating cunt. As before though there wouldn't be one.

I'm not sure there would either, but we all love a hypothetical debate.

[Magic]

I'm not sure there would either, but we all love a hypothetical debate.

If it has merit to begin with, it's never going to happen so it's a moot point you've made.

/thread

[7om]

What's been the general consensus on the French national anthem being played at stadiums this weekend?

[Magic]

What's been the general consensus on the French national anthem being played at stadiums this weekend?

Nobody observed it because they were a bit cuntish in the early 1800s.

[Jimmy Floyd]

So attention seeking that it's a battle to look more grief stricken than everyone else. The whole culture in this age is attention driven.

You're right there.

[Danny]

Something about it doesn't sit right with me.

edit: @7om

[Giggles]

What's been the general consensus on the French national anthem being played at stadiums this weekend?

Too much really. But you have to take into account that the main reasoning behind it was Premier League marketing.

[Lewis]

I've mentioned it a couple of times because it's one of my favourite quotes, but Lewis Mumford had it right: 'A society that has lost its life values will tend to make a religion of death and build up a cult around its worship – a religion not less grateful because it satisfies the mounting number of paranoiacs and sadists such a disrupted society necessarily produces'.

So we beat ISIS with our values, but demonstrate their weakness by getting all mawkish about it. What do.

[Magic]

I don't normally attack 'mawkish' things but this is fucking embarrassing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34895314

[ScousePig]

If it has merit to begin with, it's never going to happen so it's a moot point you've made.

/thread

What?

Sorry, I'm with you.

[Lewis]

I don't normally attack 'mawkish' things but this is fucking embarrassing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34895314

You don't have the right to after your near-MELTDOWN over Wesley Sneijder's knife set.

[Magic]

You don't have the right to after your near-MELTDOWN over Wesley Sneijder's knife set.

That was fucking appalling, though.

[Lewis]

You should have set your speech to 'Marching on Together' for us all to cry over.

[wullie]

Sunderland win a game?

Seriously though, is that the general view from Coventry fans?

Not really, as by the sounds of it both teams immediately stopped trying so you'd be pretty fucked off.

The main thing is more bemusement because it's not a hatred that's reciprocated and it's been held so long. I imagine any Villa fan would think the same if they hear 'shit on the Villa' from two divisions down.

[ScousePig]

Not really, as by the sounds of it both teams immediately stopped trying so you'd be pretty fucked off.

The main thing is more bemusement because it's not a hatred that's reciprocated and it's been held so long. I imagine any Villa fan would think the same if they hear 'shit on the Villa' from two divisions down.

I think many Sunderland fans see it as a bit of a turning point in our fortunes, as we struggled for quite some time after the relegation.

[Magic]

This is just utterly superb and highlights the insincerity of mawkish public displays of grief: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a6744566.html

[John]

They used the same 'picture overlay' system to let people advertise whether they were supporting Real Madrid or Barcelona on Saturday.