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    No one is claiming the fans "know it all". But Reigns is just terrible on the mic and not good enough in the ring to be where he is. Even Don Cena had to win the US Title a couple of times and get his character over before he won the title (and he WAS over at that point, and deserved it).

    Reigns has done nothing to deserve being where he is and isn't good enough to justify just getting it handed to him. It's basically because he's big and because he's related to The Rock.

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    I dunno, Reigns isn't awful but he's never really gotten over with the fans since his SUPER PUSH, except for about 5 minutes when he won the title on Raw that time and he was booked like Austin.

    His post-Mania promo (hey cmon guys, I'm not a bad guy etc) was excellent, but it was an excellent heel promo. He plays the cocky, arrogant dickhead so well.

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    Vince has simply decided Reigns will be 'the guy' then has instructed his terrible gang of shit failed sitcom writers to get him to that position. He's a symptom of (and perhaps a victim of?) the WWE's rubbish 50/50 booking, crap scripted promos and a generally tone-death owner who thinks you can get over with fans on looks alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiffy View Post
    Do you believe Reigns would still be being pushed so hard if Cena, Orton, Rollins and Daniel Bryan hadn't succumbed to injuries? Today's Lesnar being a part timer doesn't help either whereas he was full time back when Cena was getting over.
    Absolutely. I think it is pretty obvious he's been the CHOSEN ONE for about 2 years. I reckon they'd decided he was the next GUY before the Shield started, or at least early on during that run! Remember what Punk said on Cabana's podcast about them inserting Reigns in and 'keeping him strong'.

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    I think there is also a perception that he doesn't really get rasslin'. I've no idea how true that is, but you can interpret some of his comments as being a bit 'lol fans are idiots'. Whatever people think of Don Cena, people appreciate that he fucking loves the business and would never come out with those sort of things.

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    Reigns seemed most over when he had Vince hamming it up against him for a few weeks.

    He's just one of those guys who's going to need more talented people to elevate him, inside of the ring or out.

    EDIT: Didn't he only get into wrestling because he turned out to be crap and/or injury-prone at gridiron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    I think there is also a perception that he doesn't really get rasslin'. I've no idea how true that is, but you can interpret some of his comments as being a bit 'lol fans are idiots'. Whatever people think of Don Cena, people appreciate that he fucking loves the business and would never come out with those sort of things.
    I agree entirely. Also, more simplistically Cena is clearly a lovely, charismatic bloke, and Reigns seems like a bit of a bell. And Cena was genuinely over as fuck when he was the rapper, his pops circa-WM XX were huge.

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    Browning, why are you getting in on this 'Don' Cena rubbish? I distinctly remember you hating the guy.

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    I hated him until the Rock came back and showed me what truly shit promos and complete lack of in ring ability look like. Him carrying that feud made me appreciate him more. Don't get me wrong I still think a lot of mistakes were made with how he was booked especially in that first title run (before he got the title was perfect) but that's not his fault.

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    I liked Roman Reigns in the Shield and as Dean Ambrose's handsome pal but his big push involved a character actually being handed every chance at success freely while everyone was making out he was being held down, so it was poorly done and impossible to get behind. If they're using this built-in entitlement for this smirking whatever version of him, I'm into it. I think he's fine in the ring and on the mic to be honest, so long as he avoids the 'wow, what a great crowd that's booing me' stuff, that's Cena's domain and nobody can touch him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igor_balis View Post


    Not the most sensitive response from my boy Lance Storm. Might have to phone him again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiffy View Post
    John Cena is underrated as far as his in ring ability goes, I reckon. He's had far too many good matches for it to be his opponents carrying him.
    I don't think he needs carrying but nor does he necessarily elevate the guys he's with that much. He can keep up with top guys but I can't think of many times he's made somebody crap seem better than they are.

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    Don Cena was THE BEST WRESTLER IN THE WORLD during his open challenge run.

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    Agreed. He was incredible with that title.

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    He certainly elevated the title probably more than anybody has a particular title. Aside from, possibly, some of the new ones they made during the first brand split but I didn't see much of that and it's a different situation.

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    Not a Roman fan at all, but him spearing whoever Bray points to would be cool.

    Also, with all the talk of Sami being injury prone, the man bounces off his head!
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    I never even noticed Wyatt pointing at Sheamus.

    Maybe Wyatt's actually converted somebody. Roman could use a massive beard.

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    He could use some moves

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    Also only just noticed it's actually a gun Wyatt's doing.

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    I was about to point out that Cena was incredible during the open run challenge.

    He also got a decent match out of Khali once... so yea, he's definitely decent in the ring.

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    I watched that Khali match recently and "decent" is a stretch, but then I'm not sure anybody could get a good match out of Khali. The Umaga match is surprisingly good but then that was mostly because Cena sold the shit out of them making Jamal look like a monster.

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    I've not seen it since it happened, but I remember it being much better than Khali's other matches, but that is a pretty low bar I guess. I might watch it later and see if it holds up.

    In other news, they've added a whole bunch of RAWs from 2002-2003 to the network. Hogan.

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    Yeah I watched all the ones from post-WM17 to HHH doing his quad. The Power Trip stuff was good.

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    Bray

    I'll never give up hope.

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    I watched the McMahon street fight the other day, and the pop for Linda gets me every time.

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    The one where she's supposed to be sedated?

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    Yeah, when she gets up and belts Vince in the bollocks (after he has to fucking call the spot and open his legs the useless bitch). I watched it because me and my friend were feeling sorry for the generations of wrestling fans who will never get to see a proper McMahon feud.

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    Wyatt got injured in Italy last night, according to WWE.com.

    Something with his calf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    Bray

    I'll never give up hope.
    You should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weaver View Post
    Wyatt got injured in Italy last night, according to WWE.com.

    Something with his calf.

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    omg

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    I thought the run of RKOs after eleven minutes was good, but that Styles Clash is amazing. I'm glad Pepe won as well.

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    Sportz.

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    Most people would probably say I wasted 22 minutes of my life there. I disagree.
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    The round of applause 13min+

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    That video was ace.

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    Adam Rose and Konnor of the Ascension have been suspended for 60 days for breaking the wellness policy.

    Second offence.

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    that suicide dive from the ladder

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    I've made a start on the Monday Night Wars. I've no idea how I was unaware of the fake Diesel/Razor thing but what an idea that was.

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    Played by Glen 'Kane' Jacobs no less.

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    Yeah, saw that when I Googled it.




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    I think you'll find that technically that's Isaac Yankem. But yeah, that was angle was dead in the water right from the off, Jacobs did learn all four of Nash's moves though (including the one that's basically him combing his hair).

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    I've always found their approach to it (turning Jim Ross heel and having him do it to mock the company) loller than the actual characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    I think you'll find that technically that's Isaac Yankem. But yeah, that was angle was dead in the water right from the off, Jacobs did learn all four of Nash's moves though (including the one that's basically him combing his hair).
    I'm a twit

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    It was actually six moves (and that was with the hair flip). There used to be a lol video of him responding to that, but it seems to have gone.

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    That biggest lol about those Indian lads is that they're probably drawing more fans than an average TNA taping.

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