Prompted by this;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34687139
Russian airline missing over Egypt, with more than 200 on board, conflicting reports about what has actually happened to the plane.
Prompted by this;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34687139
Russian airline missing over Egypt, with more than 200 on board, conflicting reports about what has actually happened to the plane.
It's Crashed.
At first I thought "dodgy Russian plane," but it's an A321 that's less than 20 years old. Also, they certainly don't get much inclement (in flying terms) weather in that area.
My gut suggests ISIS types, which would result in an absolute fucking disaster. Could they even get a missile up to FL330 (where it got to before they crashed)?
If it was some sort of mechanical/systems failure, it's going to be a messy one. That's a craggy, hilly part of the world. Not much flat land until you get to the northern extreme of the peninsula (there's essentially a rectangle of flat desert that spans the gap between mainland Egypt and Israel).
RT reporting that the crash site has been found near Al-Arish (which happens to lie smack dab in the middle of that band of flatness). Hopefully that's a good sign (it likely isn't, but alas).
Or maybe it was a dodgy Russian plane...
Pilots are taught to aviate, navigate, and then communicate, but if something not abrupt happened up there, it's strange that they didn't sqwuak a mayday call. Catastrophic in-air event? I don't know.Originally Posted by RT
I have a sort of strange - in the sense that it comes from nowhere logical - interest in aviation (not just the morbid bits). I didn't play with toy planes as a kid.
It will be dodgy Russian-ness. Like fuck would I go anywhere with a Russian airliner.
Shot down by a surface to air missile.
It'll be dodgy Russianness.
The Ukranians had to have the Americans rebuild their fuel depositories for it's Nuclear Reactors after Russia shut off the gas. The Ukranians couldn't confirm whether it had worked or not because the only way they knew it was running in the past was that it would leak. Russian Engineering is awful.
:-|
“I am meeting my parents,” said 25-year-old Ella Smirnova, a tall young woman seemingly in shock.
“I spoke to them last on the phone when they were already on the plane, and then I heard the news.”
“I will keep hoping until the end that they are alive, but perhaps I will never see them again.”
Can't imagine having to speak to press at a time like that.
I was going to put earlier my gut would be that it's been shot down. But the thing is like others have said it's Russian engineering. No way on earth I would ever fly with someone like Aeroflot.
Me too, I think it's ever since I first flew that I've been fascinated by these machines. The amount of engineering that goes into designing/building them so they don't just drop out of the sky is amazing. However I also have quite a morbid interest in aviation accidents, I thought I hit the jackpot when I found that site which had the last recordings from black boxes/radio calls on crashed planes.
Everyone's dead, apparently.
Flying back to the uk in about 12 hours.
It's also torrential rain / flooding here.
Where are you?
Houston. Thankfully it's not a dodgy airline though.
When it rains here it's spectacular. Fuck living in a proper hurricane prone area in Louisiana or Florida.
Anymore clueless comments mate?
Islamic State claiming it.
It being ISIS would be an eye-opener, because as I mentioned upthread, the consensus is that they don't have the weaponry to hit something at 33,000 feet.
Surely they're talking bollocks. What sort of weapon would they need for that?
You'd need a ground-launched, (probably radar-) guided missile, or a modern vehicle-launched missile. Even a British Rapier missile, for instance, isn't going to get that high.
As far as anyone knows, they only have MANPADs (shoulder-launched).
31,000ft. Who's to say the cabin wasn't breached? On board sabotage? The captain asked to emergency land so it wasn't a rapid incident.
Barring a SAM system they wont, and very unlikely they got one of those over the border (or stole one from Egypt).
Even losing both engines planes glide sufficiently to allow time to mayday, so it seems like whatever the issue was the pilot believed it could be managed.
I like a good terrorist attack as much as the next man but that sounds like wishful thinking mate. If we were talking about a plane maintained in a half civilised country I might be with you but Russians are shit at planes.
FR24 had FL330 (we won't really know for sure until they look at the flight computers) but regardless, a shoulder-launched SAM isn't getting near that. On-board sabotage/cabin breach is more plausible if you want to go down that route. That being said, security at Sharm El-Sheikh's airport was pretty good when I went.
Sharm is probably the only place in Egypt you could get away with going to at the minute.
Sounds like a sharmbles to me. Perhaps it was a heat-Sheikhing missile?
A video from the Sinai Islamic Front purportedly of the plane being hit.:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1...zOWiVODsbFo.99
I smell shite.
Yeah I don't think it was brought down. Just thought it would be of interest.
They have already confirmed that the captain complained of engine trouble before take-off. It's clearly not terrorist related.
Unless the terrorists fiddled with the engine.
Lufthansa and Air France avoiding flights over Sinai according to the BBC. Hmm.
Precaution, same thing happened in Ukraine and most air disasters. You tend to avoid the area if only to make passengers feel better.
I know they're like. daft and that but there's no benefit to claiming you've took a civilian plane down, right? And you'd think these fellas would have better cameras.
Has anyone heard from Welby recently?
He's been posting in gamezine throughout the day. Why would he be on a Russian flight?
It has been confirmed that no 'SOS' calls were made / the captain never reported any trouble.
It will be fascinating to discover what has gone wrong here. Very rare for a plane like this to just fall out of the sky
It was a joke about the fact that he's in, or just was in, Egypt at the moment.
And yet that sentence seems to come up every time one of these events happen.
With 100,000 commercial flights a day, it is "pretty rare," but I know what you're getting at. Planes are incredibly well-engineered; even with complete engine failure, any aircraft from the past couple of decades can glide in to a relatively 'safe' (by crash landing terms) landing, and, especially in modern aircraft, it's very hard to stay in a stall because the aircraft will actively fight it. It takes something catastrophic (missile, pilot suicide, the actual plane breaking up mid-flight, etc.) for the plane to "drop out of the sky" like this one seems to have done.
Espesh a less than 20 year old A321.
Bodies found over 2km, if it's a break up that's a lot more. And if it's a nose dive it's a lot less.
So for the IS claim to be true they either have stronger weapons than previously thought or the plane's altitude had dropped prior to being hit.
Turns out it was an Irish plane being leased by this Russian mob.
Fucking IRA.
They're now widening it to 15km after they found a 3 year old 8km away.
That would suggest a mid-air breakup scenario.
I don't think IS could have weapons to take it down from the ground. A bomb on board, perhaps?
What makes a plane fall apart? Would it necessarily be the cause or could rapid descent cause that to happen after the plane is already fucked?
A plane wouldn't usually break apart from that unless it was inverted or falling almost vertical. Air Crash Investigation watching has its uses.
Fuck sake.
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