So your solution is to keep everyone so poor that they're equivalent economically to a 5 to a bedroom Indian? Thats your ideal British society?Originally Posted by Lewis
So your solution is to keep everyone so poor that they're equivalent economically to a 5 to a bedroom Indian? Thats your ideal British society?
No? Wages would rise owing to a significantly reduced labour pool (like they briefly did in 2020 before the government moved to squash it), and external costs would fall for the same reasons (housing demand, taxes, etc.). Everybody wins, except people who think that condemning Indians to warehouse serfdom is somehow the compassionate and sensible thing to do.
Thankfully haven't needed the place in well over 10 years, but can attest to this.
In one of my later meetings, while waiting in the security guarded(lol) waiting area, I was close enough to hear the guy before me talking to his "advisor." At the time they'd not long switched it from bringing your actual job search book, to doing it all online. You could write any old shite in the book and often you'd see people stood outside the office and sometimes even in the waiting area, scribbling stuff in there to get the nod from their advisor. It was almost impossible for them to check.
The online system time/datestamped everything you did, so no more of that. It also allowed them to send you a "matched vacancy" in-between appointments. If you get one of those it's a vacancy they deem that you must apply for. If you don't do so, immediate sanction and they wont see you for 26 weeks+. I got given one once for a place that was a near hour double bus ride from. They put me straight through to interview, which again is mandatory. I went and the guy explained that there will be a requirement for me to be there for 6am some days. The bus doesn't start running til closer to 7am, so I told him this wasn't possible. He then wondered why I was wasting his time and we ended the interview there. Cut the the job centre hauling me in demanding to know why I made myself unavailable for said job.
In your commitments you agree you will travel for x time each way to enable you to expand your job search, I think at the time it was 90 or 120 mins each way. I only avoided sanctions because he worked it out in front of me that walking there would have taken me a couple of minutes over the time. Had Google maps showed a few minutes fewer, I'd have been cut off.
Anyway, back to the other guy. He was your older Uncle who is useless with technology. He'd ask you over to change a HDMI cable over because he wouldn't know what hes doing. That type. He tried to start his meeting by explaining he had no idea how to fill out his log book on the site but he'd brought things with him. She cut him off telling him she wasn't going to accept that, because only things on the online log book can now be considered and he must have already been shown how to use it. He had a stack of papers with him that she ignored and he asked her to help him fill out an online application for something he had found to which she gave the answer "I'm not here to help you find a job. I'm here to decide if you have done enough to get your payment on this visit."
Also heard a girl before me be told that she must choose between her uni course(whatever it was, she was in a 3rd year of uni) and signing on, because making herself unavailable due to said course broke her work agreement and they wouldn't see her again.
It always felt like you were talking to people who fully believed everything the Daily Mail would write about people on benefits.
This is fantasy land. Companies would just lower production rate leading to less need for people in service roles 50 years after your idol offshored us doing anything useful which would lead to mass unemployment. We’d become Ireland/Portugal with the added negative that we’re incapable of learning a foreign language so we’d be shitty emigrants.
Unemployment is the lowest it’s been in 50 years and the worlds still shit. If you remove 5 people from a bedroom they’re 1) not going to pay 2 strapping Brits the minimum wage + what those 5 lads were earning because 2) those 2 patriots won’t be able to produce as much as the 5 Indian lads.
It just doesn’t work.
Ya bird made globalism happen, it’s too large to fight. The core issue is that we spent the past 15 years of money being free doing absolutely nothing to invest in the country’s growth. We make nothing, our water, our power, our transport even our post office is owned by foreign companies that have no investment in making the country work only to skim profit off the top.
The only thing we had going for us was global finance to skim off and your lot fucked that too in the name of patriotism.
Sanjay isn’t the problem. He’s a symptom.
FAKE NEWS! Or, rather, not really. All they've done is make one full time job, four part time jobs. Which is why we're stuck with record low unemployment AND record high benefit payments at the same time.
This is the way in Austria too. Seems great on the surface but their populations are much more modest so I'm not sure how well it could work here?
Yes the new Labour idea sounds suspiciously like the widely decried Tory scheme where Poundstretcher lay you off then you sign on so you can go and work at Poundstretcher on a benefit placement, costing them nothing.
There is definitely ingrained dependency culture that can become generational, the problem is as stated for every person reckoning they cant work when they definitely can, there's another person wanting to work being treated as a scumbag by the system. Add in the figures have been on the wonk since Blair decided everyone should have a degree to mask the true figure and cause the shit show we see now, it's a mess.
Barrow is an interesting case study, the shipyard is recruiting more heavily than ever, paying massive wages in all areas to the point they've had to agree to stop employing people from the local police, fire, NHS and schools due to people thinking 'fuck this I'll just get £20 an hour to push a mop bucket round instead' and yet, despite all this investment and influx of high salary opportunity, the town is more deprived than ever and has a huge divide between the high flying defence careers and the down and outs claiming benefits until the grave.
Stealing ideas from the other team isn't anything new.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ta...sto-delivered/
Which is as it should be, the whole point of an opposition being to propose alternatives to what the government are doing.
This is a very bizarre idea of incentives and outputs. If a company can only (not sure why it would only) hire two natives instead of five Indians, investment can also be made into productivity saving measures such as new equipment, training, etc. This country has fewer automatic car washes than it did when we were at primary school. Why? Have machines become more expensive and less reliable since? Clearly not, but labour has become significantly cheaper and more available, so why bother competing with illegals in an old petrol station? The same goes for most other low-skilled occupations. Fifty foreigners in a warehouse or fewer people with some automated assistance. This is literally why we have a productivity crisis.
I still need an explanation of what the advantages of shit wages are, because it does not make much sense to me.
Because CEO pay is based on growth not output.
Seen from the executive level of a large business, they are many and varied. Politicians are scared of those businesses leaving the country. I can't imagine this is an issue in the US.
And considering pretty much everything is foreign owned now, it would be very easy in many cases and has already been done in others.
This level of scrutiny is pretty amazing considering the last 15 years.
That must be the biggest non-story of all non-stories. Jesus wept.
That's work related, I guess.
I bet they've bought the Foreign Secretary a globe n'all. Devious bastards.
If the goal is keeping businesses, surely lowering their taxes and just general deregulation is more effective than purposely 'depressing wages'. Businesses want to sell stuff, and people need money to buy said stuff. They do not benefit from a poor population.
I would love to have some illegals to wash my car for cheap nearby. The automatic ones are not good enough.
A result of the mass brain drain in our political establishment, unfortunately. Most of them were just too thick to get a job in Finance.
To me it looks like Uber rich buying from Uber rich. For example, AI.
Don't get me wrong, I am sure that whatever they are doing is indeed keeping wages low, but I doubt that is their purpose. They are just too shit to actually achieve their goals, whatever those may be (if they have any beyond keeping their jobs).
Didn't know the big AI companies were British.
I never said they were. However look at our data centre plans. This isn't a consumer or even B2B market.
The labour that is left over will be so surplus the wages will be basically slavery.
If you've been following his recent tik tok exploits then a shot at the festive charts is small cringe beer.
He'd have more luck if it was just him getting kicked in the balls live on TikTok every day.
By Ed Balls.
Will his son be providing vocals?
In all this 'stolen' phone business, surely the least plausible part of the whole story is the police actually investigating the loss of any form of property and then launching some sort of crack operation to look into the reactivation of an allegedly stolen phone. I'm absolutely not having that that actually happens.
See she's resigned now, seemingly citing some of the worst legal advice ever given as a factor. There must be more to it than is in the public domain. She probably made the whole thing up and someone has the kompromat to prove it. Looking at her you wouldn't think she'd be a grade A moron, oh wait.
As lol as the whole thing is, this is what sticks out to me.
Why have they gone after her over the cost of a phone like that? I would have thought the cost of gathering the evidence and taking her to court, would be far more than telling her they can see shes turned her phone back on and to stop taking the piss.
I see the euthanise the disabled bill has passed, excellent, fire up the wheelchair accessible gas chambers.
Going off some of the reaction that seems to be what some of the anti-camp seem to think anyway.
Quite funny that something that could be seen as a defining piece of legislation of this parliament might be a private member's bill. Does that make the government look bad?
I wonder how they'll play that when it comes to Power of Attorneys?
I should retrain to be a lawyer.
I found the debate fairly interesting. I had to watch my mum die a horrific death, during which she often didn't know who I - or indeed she - was, had to have her lungs drained regularly and often sobbed that you "wouldn't put a dog through this". I am fully supportive of the outcome and I think it's been a long time coming. However, it has to be acknowledged that if this had happened 5 years ago, Captain Tom's cunt daughter would have been rubbing her hands together and there are an awful lot of scummers out there just waiting for their boomer inlaws to die, so the devil will be in the detail.
Homeless crisis solution: done. Plenty more room for muzzers now.
Generally speaking I have absolutely no issue with homeless people. There's far more deserving members of society that I'd put way above them.
Who? Someone that arrived in after coming from a country they could already have stayed in? Massively deserving.
Don't tell them down the students union that I said that before your bra burning.
In this scenario would they have offed him before he became a covid sensation, thus denying themselves the ability to profit from said stardom?
An interesting moral quandary.
I don't know the details of whatever is being proposed particularly, but I don't get the impression that agency is being given to third parties, more like a system is being implemented for when you get to the everyone knows it's time stage ["make them comfortable"], and it is just a waiting game, you have the opportunity to forego that misery by agreement in advance.
I am all for it in principle, but the safeguards sound a bit flimsy, and you would put your own life on their being a massive NHS scandal to come out of it. The various shit reasons I have seen various MPs giving for supporting it hardly fills you with confidence that they would take any issues seriously as well.
Less people > more people. Simple.
If we put the ability of the NHS to somehow fuck it up at the top of the don't do that priority list for deciding things then we wouldn't have any healthcare at all.
The Irish, for a start.
That's more like it.
I saw some leaks from 'friends of Tony Blair' or something slating the Starmer regime. They really aren't doing well at all given that their entire pitch was competence.
'Middle Class Women Of A Certain Age' was funny.
Wrong thread but maybe it still applies.
Wasn't a great result overall, but looking very much like the Greens have been as good as wiped out here
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