What does he think an American 'backstop' and 'security guarantee' is that they haven't already ruled out? It sounds like European treaty-brained mongs thinking they can pull the wool over the Americans with fuzzy language, which obviously they will love.
As if you'd get called up.Originally Posted by Boydy
Presumably it's the price for not being tariffed to fuck by Uncle Sam.
Utterly insane that there's seemingly only one man in the whole political landscape who is trying to stop that absolute shitshow.
Yev while I agree on the larger point I think you’re being completely mental on this. Your one guy happens to be the one guy who would face absolutely zero repercussions from Russian aggression being rewarded.
Please please look at the deal they offered Ukraine.
Trump thinks Russia and Ukraine are the same country. He's a lunatic like Putin.
People need to look at the history of these two countries. Cossacks. Holodomor (more deaths than the Holocaust btw). Orange revolution. As starting points.
There is a lot of history where Ukrainians have tried to be wiped out in the past by Russians. It goes back centuries, and they see it happening again.
Ukraine are somehow still standing because they're a proud nation who've been fucked time and again and see themselves as different to Russians, who they view as sneaky and untrustworthy like most of Europe does.
And most importantly, they're mentally and physically strong fighters against the aggressor, who has always been threatened by their genuineness and spirit. They are also the breadbasket of Europe. So that's another thing. Money.....
I don't like Starmer but I see why he's supporting Ukraine. You let Putin take a vast country like Ukraine, you might as well give him Slovakia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Moldova. Etc. Then you're looking at another USSR situation. It's a different type of war nowadays with more technology which is why Putin is going hard for it.
And why Europe has to protect Ukraine, who do not have the same type of technology or weapons that Russia has built up over the years in preparation for this. His little Lenin/Stalin moment in history before he pops his clogs. Similar to Trump. Stuck in the cold war era mentally but mutual respect of that. Rocky IV. Old school mentality from both. Why can't we find young leaders nowadays? Trump and Biden. Fucking hell. Is that the best USA can give us out of 334 million people?
Anyway, Putin complains about Nato aggression but we all know it's the other way around. Trump doesn't want to support Nato, and that's what is dangerous. But if he gets a deal with his egomaniac despot mate Putin, everyone will see he's the main man who solved it all. Messed up situation.
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Is this the same guy who believed Putin because he took him in a room away from his handlers and said he didn't do anything?
People seem to forget Russia were running regular naval and aerial sorties along our sovereign borders prior to Ukraine, I wouldn't be naive enough to think if Trump gets it agreed they just leave things as they are that is the end of it.
Reform will be on about 40% when those 11% budget cuts kick in.
I just want to know who the 21% voting Conservative are. Baffling.
Any indication as to what that looks like in seats?
An absolute hung parliament tastic shit show I’m guessing.
South and west of London will never, ever vote Reform. Basically the old Saxon kingdom of Wessex will always be Tory or at most Lib Dem.
Viking kingdoms are the Reform voters.
There was another poll the other day which had Reform on 29% which I think someone had worked out as probably being a majority. I think a Reform majority will happen.
I don't even mean "why aren't they voting Reform?". I fully understand not wanting to vote for them. I sure as shit wouldn't. But why would ANYONE vote Tory after the last 14 years? Who were they good for, exactly? Certainly not anyone that wanted a (small c) conservative government.
Lab 209
Ref 151
Con 156
LD 62
Because you want generally right-wing / conservative policies but don't want them delivered by Nigel Farage and Richard Tice.
Personally think there is a lot of water to go under the bridge, Tories and Reform both need something that the other has if they are to beat Labour, so I would expect a merger or at worst a pact. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the Tory/Conservative brand was ditched and they merged into some bullshit name like Rule Britannia (probably not that, but you get the idea).
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Christ, that would be awful. Absolutely nothing would get done.
I dunno, I'm sure they could all agree to make the place even worse.
That already appears to have cross party support.
The energy policies Tice announced the other day are genuinely retarded - not as in they merely sound ineffective, but actual mong logic like windfall taxes on existing subsidies - so they still aren't any sort of serious party, but they could easily finish the Conservative Party off once it becomes a choice and they look like the more likely one. On the other hand, the Conservative Party will have to switch leader before long, and Jenrick is better placed to reverse the trend, so who knows.
Anyway, another Labour minister making their job experience up lol. No wonder none of them wanted to probe Reeves' lies.
Because some people (the elderly, Jimmy) treat political parties like football teams and vote for the one they support, no matter what.
Same way I'm still prepared to have my eyes raped by Man Utd twice a week, they'll still vote Tory whilst they burn the country down.
I voted for Keir Starmer's Labour this time. Not one of my prouder moments.
Jimmy the bald(ing) fraud.
Where's Tommy Tugger at? Exiled by Thick Kemi?
Does a pot plant with a red rosette win where that punchy Labour MP is from or is there the prospect of an interesting BELLWETHER by-election on the assumption he gets recalled/biffed?
Got to be a solid chance for Reform in a by election there. Although the recent Trumpy/Musky stuff probably hasn't helped them.
Sounds like Sir Kier's mission to Washington is going to be rather overtaken and subsumed by events.
I'm not sure why he's bothering, really. Trump isn't going to listen to him. Why would he? At best he gets another pat on the head and told he's a good boy. At worse, he gets humiliated like Macron did.
Lol that's terrible take.
Did Macron get humiliated?
Kier should be landing in Boston Harbor with the King in tow.
I reckon we could take back at least a few of the Thirteen Colonies. New New England.
I reckon Trump would sell us Maine in exchange for maybe three courses off the Open rota. Trump Sandwich has a nice ring to it.
That Macron/Trump exchange made Trump look like someone with special needs and Macron his exceptionally patient support worker.
Well, yes, but I think it's fair to say that the intent behind brushing dandruff off Macron's shoulder wasn't positive.
I’ve just seen James O Briens current hair and it did psychic damage to me. My word.
He had a big plaster on his head so I assume it's to cover up whatever was underneath, I fail to see how it could be worse than the hair though.
Would you consider having Hitlers hair worse?
Petition to ban twitter links.
Censorship, it's all the far left has any more
What is going on with Reform and Rupert Lowe?
He said that the party needs to be more than a Nigel Farage ego vehicle and become more professional, so Nigel Farage has kindly proved his point for him.
I had - clearly incorrectly - assumed, that the set up was Farage and Tice pandering to the Centre Right, with Lowe being left alone to sweep up the votes from the further right.
Fuck knows what the plan is, if not. They won't win the next election without a Rupert Lowe figure saying the stuff they won't say though.
You think there’s a plan? They’ve fluked their way into this position due to the incumbents not dealing with the huge piles of steaming shit over the past decade or so, and have no clue how to handle it.
I thought they'd atleast have a very basic plan for how they're going to balance the obvious issue they're going to have in keeping both lapsed Tories and the Muslamic Ray Gun mongs happy. And the set up with Lowe seemed pretty good with that in mind. But no, clearly not. Thankfully they're actually this stupid.
Wait, Rupert Lowe was the right wing wacko?
I've obviously not being paying enough attention.
Richard Tice has to be one of the worst front men ever for a 'this is why your life is shit' narrative.
Well, he's been part of the Elon Musk MUSLIM RAPE GANG circle jerk and has been banging the drum for ethnicity backed crime statistics. In our current climate, that's pretty far right.
Outside of that I've not really been paying attention.
By enough, I've mean zero attention other than thinking wait isn't that the guy who owned Southampton at one point a few years ago.
Tice is awful in every way. Boomer Facebook memes come to life as a massive twat.
Kanye West just out there openly saying his new album will be antisemitic.
Kanye West going off his medication and then saying wild, dumb shit to promote his album?
A truly seismic poltical moment.
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