And that's that.
And that's that.
Lmao Lewis almost wiped that fucker out clean.
Why are they not showing the leaders?
Max breaking the track limits rule might be Hamilton's best chance.
Verstappen is just the greatest.
To keep this seasons narrative going Verstappen needs to go off again and then not get a penalty for it.
Feel Merc must have made a bit of a mistake on tyre choice here for the last stint, seeing as theirs look toast and the mediums seem to have survived being pushed much harder on the other cars [that usually wear their tyres more].
The upgrade package they brought seems to have made them a bit harder on their tyres. Even the hards Lewis had on were burned up by the end. The Red Bull/Max were just faster.Originally Posted by niko_cee
It seems Haas protested post-race about Alonsos wing mirror flying off and have been successful. He’s got a 30 second penalty applied so everyone shimmies one place from 15th.
Lando Norris casually in 6th place yet again. What a bloke.
On that topic, funny how Magnussen was black and orange flagged for his front wing twice earlier in the season but Perez with the exact same damage wasn't. It took five laps for the endplate to fly off and it was long after Brundle picked up on it. Magnussen was called in a lot quicker than that. Guenther has a very valid point that teams aren't governed equally.
Yeah that one was very strange. It was only waiting to go flying.
Gasly should feel very hard done by after his treatment yesterday. Compare it to Perez a few weeks ago, one transgression to three and his penalty had to be served during the race rather than waiting several hours and getting the chance to argue his case. Then he gets an extra 2 points on his licence for good measure.
It's why I really worry about the budget cap. If they're serious about cost-cutting, they need to be zero tolerance about it and dish out tangible punishments. Ideally, I'd go this route:
- Dock constructors points for anyone that breaches the cap (or DQ them entirely like McLaren were for Spygate)
- How much they went over comes off their budget for the following season.
You can also argue tighter budget constraints could result in a grid of drivers more conscious of those around them. Latifi, Stroll, Russell (because he's got form for it now, as quick as he is) would all be on notice. It probably would also have Haas probably giving Grosjean a miss if crashes become a genuine factor.
It has to tangibly hurt ongoing performance if it's going to be any sort of deterrent which has to a big reduction in development time and a disproportionately large wedge out of the next years' budget. If it's a slap on the wrist then it's just an invitation for the richer teams to break the cap with impunity and were back to the big three just outspending everyone.
It'll be a reduction in wind tunnel time and a fine(lol) for next year I should imagine.
As you say, they have to choose their punishment carefully here. They really can't be doing one of the Ferrari type settlement deals where no details are released. That'll be bad for everyone that isn't Red Bull.
I suppose the question is how far does someone have to push it on before they start voiding championships. As is well documented, the FIA absolutely detest changing a race/title winner after the fact. However if they don't show some cracking down here, what's to stop say, Mercedes, from next year going fuck it and dumping $10m over the budget to get them back up to the front and daring the FIA to act on it?
There are few things better than an Alonso seethe. Yeah, rules are rules but I think he has a point around the entire circumstances of his penalty. Firstly, fucking Stroll sent him airborne which caused the damage and secondly, they again had ample time to penalise/flag him during the race but didn't and then administered an inconsistent penalty after the fact. Even toe-the-line boys like Will Buxton are questioning it, which isn't a good look for the FIA (again).
Martin Brundle putting Will "Dresses like a teenager" Buxton in his place on Twitter was good to see.
Buxton likes to portray himself as a man of the hardcore fans. But he's not likeable enough to pull it off.
Being a UK viewer I've never had much to do with Will Buxton, but I heard him interviewed on a golf podcast a while back (bizarrely) and he came across as a superficial smoothie twat.
About right.
The thing about voiding championships is this a cast-iron chance for them to wipe that shambolic Abu Dhabi safety car from history. And it would be the kind of punishment to show they mean business. Unfair to the achievement from Max but football teams go into administration all the time and get punished. Points deductions whilst already in clear financial hardship? Doubly shit for the players who are likely not getting paid in the first place. Tough shit.
How about this?
- Strip them of the 2021 Driver's Title.
- Freeze development on their car for 2023.
Or how about this:
- Dock 5% of their wind tunnel time for 2023;
- Fine them an insignificant amount.
No one is going to be stripped of a driver's title. Ever, for any reason. If Verstappen got out of his car, took an air rifle out of his overalls and started popping other drivers in the hairpin, he'd still get given a championship if the race results came out that way.
The only precedents I can think of for retrospectively stripping season results in F1 are Schumacher getting thrown out of 1997 (which was only done because he lost the title anyway, they'd never have had the bottle if he'd won it) and that time when Tyrrell got disqualified in the 80s because reasons.
Until Audi are on the grid, I'll hold onto my scepticism.
Haven't they announced and cancelled this a few times now?
But this time they've painted a car in their colours while they did it.
I think it was reported well before the official confirmation. Audi cancelled talks with Mclaren earlier this year and Porsche pulled out of their Red Bull deal.
McLarens need to make their own engine really. Can't see why it couldn't be done at the Ron Dennis Megadrome Death Star down the road from me, with its massive lake and proximity to one of southern England's worst town centres.
They've never been able to afford it.
Plus the MTC is pretty full up these days.
Daniel Ricciardo (right)
Alonso's penalty has been overturned (rightly in my opinion) but it's only on the technicality that Haas protested too late rather than Alonso being a sitting duck behind Stroll's detour. The FIA are a complete shambles.
$7m fine and 10% reduced wind tunnel time for the coming year for Red Bull.
That's actually not a bad result.
Amazing how the officiating actually seems worse than last year, the only saving grace being they haven't altered the outcome of the season.
The fine is meaningless.
What if they pay the fine, overspend again, and use 20% more time in the wind tunnel? Will they get an even larger fine and an even larger wind tunnel time reduction? What if...?
I was reading it as a budget reduction, as a fine it is indeed pointless but given they were never going to do anything concrete it does enough to protect the credibility of the cap. Most of it seems to be the misapplication of a tax rebate which is very different to someone intentionally breaking the budget.
It should be $7m off next year's cap, rather than them taking money from Red Bull's infinite coffers.
Even if it is a reduction on the cap. they already went above the cap once. They can just go above it again.
Presumably repeat offences would be dealt with more harshly but I won't hold my breath on that.
inb4 Aston Martin are ejected from the championship.
Fuck off, whinger Spice."We have been provided a significant financial and sporting penalty - $7m is an enormous amount of money and the more draconian part is the sporting penalty, which is a 10% reduction in our ability to use our wind tunnel and aerodynamic tools," Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said.
"That is an enormous amount. That represents between 0.25secs and 0.5secs of lap time. It comes in from now and will be in place for a 12-month period and will have an impact on development of our 2023 car."
$450k fine for them. You might as well not bother with that.
Are Red Bull not trying because I don't remember Mercedes ever being good here let alone this season.
Danica Patrick just soared in my estimations by firmly dispelling the myth that you can hear the crowd from inside the car. The sky bod almost swallowed his microphone.
I cannot hear the person on the passenger seat on my track car, which is a bloody dodge neon, so you bet that you cannot hear shit in a fucking F1.
Hamilton will win today. Verstappen to get clipped by Russell at the start. The streak will continue.
He needs something because I'm not sure they do it on pace, Tory George wiping out Verstappen would be just the thing.
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