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    Binance End Game Thread

    Lads,

    Binance will be blocking UK customers as of, without checking, May (17th?) in an effort to become FCA regulated. This is of course morally dubious and an indictment of the UK government and banking system, but I'm not here for that. I'm here because...

    This is a pain in the arse for me as they have a leveraged account which maxes out at 125%, which combined with pretty substantial moves (1% move and you more than double your account) means I'm convinced that if you have enough swings from £100 and a bit of skill, you could build that up to a substantial number very, very quickly.

    Full disclosure, I have already blown one account trying this (£100 deposit). You may lose whatever you put in and there are no guarantees this will end as well as it potentially could. I am liable to lapses in concentration, just like anyone, and at that leverage you can be punished very quickly.

    Further disclosure, I could put up this capital myself. I could go all in and swing for it, but I don't want too because this is extremely risky and I would rather start from a lower base. The whole point of this post is I want to share some of the risk and forsake some profit in return.

    So the plan. I'll be going £100 again, which Offy is matching. In return he gets 50% of his stake back. So if we reach 100k I'll take 75k, he'll take 25k. So obviously this is beneficial for us both if it goes to plan. If it fails, I take less of a hit and we both lose £100.

    Now the big sell, I've been practising this for 2 years and have become very good at it. I make consistent (but slow) profits on an account with smaller leverage and less risk. Also, and this is the exciting bit, I've trialled this once already. I went from £100 to £1,000 in 4 days. That is 25% of the way to a million on the first run. Lessons have been learnt and I understand where I failed. So a repeat of that performance would equal £250 for Offy. A repeat of the performance twice over would equal £2,500 for Offy. A repeat of that performance x3 would equal £25,000 for Offy. And it goes wherever it goes until Binance fucks us all off.

    Now I know those figures sound obscene, but my strategy is to trade a percentage of capital in the account and scale into positions. Once you get momentum this can compound pretty quickly and a move from £100 to £1,000 takes the same amount of time as a move from £1,000 to £10,000. And I now know each step is achievable in a minimum of 4 days.

    So, I want your money and to share the risk with yourselves. Investment of min £20 and max £100. I don't want to be risking any more of anyone's money than that and anything below £20 isn't worth the hassle. You are entitled to 50% profit of whatever you invest and I will take the other half of your investment. I will detail full account size with all contributions and each person's percentage of the account from the start. This percentage will obviously not change and you have the right to withdraw that percentage at any stage. Daily updates on account size and the days trades. Should be able to put 2 hours a day in, so plenty of scope for one to two big moves per day. Plan is to start on Thursday, as my shifts change and I can accommodate 2 hours per day more effectively. After Thursday the offer closes, as integrating investments once the account has started moving will become too complex.

    Anyone interested?

    C&Ped from Stocks and Shares thread. Those who have registered interest please do so again with amount they would like to invest. Thanks.

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    I will INVEST the maximum.

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    £100 to avoid FOMO on you all getting rich? Yeah, go on.

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    All my money is locked up and the Fence man is taking this months wage, but you can BORROW what he doesn't take. (Lend us £110 Magic).

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    In for £100. If it ends up in the Birmingham organised crime world then I'll just think of myself as an entrepreneur.

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    I'm not missing out on the very slim chance that someone from this place knows their shit and isn't going to take our money and go on a cocaine bender.

    £100.

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    Obviously in. Let's roll.

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    I’ve wasted £100 on worse things so why not.

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    Oh captain my captain. Count me in for the full stake

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    All in for me, Clive.

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    This is enough to bring me out of lurkerdom. In for £100.

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    I too would like to get rich quick.

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    I'm in but I'll do £50.

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    In for £100.

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    The real profit will be the friends made along the way.

    Do you take dollars?

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    Fucking hell. This has taken off. I'm moving the cut off date forward to Wednesday.

    Will need to get organised ready for Thursday when we start trading. Will fire out bank details in PMs tomorrow. Obviously let me know when deposit is made and who by, so I can add your TTH username to the spreadsheet, but we'll sort all that through PMs. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    The real profit will be the friends made along the way.

    Do you take dollars?
    So long as it converts into Her Majesty's Great British Pound.

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    In for £100.

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    Sounds like a fun way to waste some money. In for £50.

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    I'll join the £50 pussies.

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    Baz must be setting up a Nigerian Prince TTH account as we speak.

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    When this all goes tits up, can we have it as an episode in sitcom Yev?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foe View Post
    When this all goes tits up, can we have it as an episode in sitcom Yev?
    There's a better chance this will end up in The Archive over us actually making a profit. But you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

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    I'll be in if the trades are posted live to us and we can ride the gambling wave with you in real-time.

    I'm concussed from football and in no shape to research today but I'm also wanting an example of this 125% leverage limit and how the 1% shift would play out.

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    By contrast, I won't read any of the thread at all and will just wait until the deadline/Mellin scarpers for my mystery returns.

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    Is this something to do with bitcoin?

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    Yep. It's a crypto trading hub.

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    I’ve read the OP twice and I understand none of it. I’m in for £20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    I’ve read the OP twice and I understand none of it. I’m in for £20.
    It's like a different language to me.

    I'll put in my savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    I’ve read the OP twice and I understand none of it. I’m in for £20.
    I'm a complete noob at this side of things too, but basically he's doing leveraged trading, so everything that happens will be magnified 125×. The price moves by 1% in real terms, you are affected by 125%. For better or worse. That's the risk, but also where Mellers skill at Chart reading / technical analysis comes in.

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    Would be rude not to, and fair play if you just piss it up the wall on either a massive bender or whatever you appear to be proposing in the OP.

    100 :thumb:

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    I'll go in for £25, which is about my limit before I get a headache.

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    I mean, hopefully he doesn’t blow it all on the first trade and we get a bit of a ride out of it. This thread could be good if there’s a bit of longevity to it.

    I’m considering it an entertainment cost. And if Mellin is half as good as he thinks he is and we are in any way profitable enough to get our money back, then it’s a bonus.

    It’s not my long term financial plan, so it’s a bit of fun. Good for mellin too because he’s basically the TTH hedge fund manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    I'm a complete noob at this side of things too, but basically he's doing leveraged trading, so everything that happens will be magnified 125×. The price moves by 1% in real terms, you are affected by 125%. For better or worse. That's the risk, but also where Mellers skill at Chart reading / technical analysis comes in.
    No idea. If I invest 20 quid, is that the maximum I can lose? I don’t want Mellin PMing me in 3 months telling me I owe him 10 grand.

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    My long term financial plan is winning the euromillions given it’s become clear I won’t become CEO of my international energy company. Apparently telling everyone repeatedly when a graduate that you want to be CEO isn’t enough.

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    Baz offering his Takeshi Nonce NFT as collateral by Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    I'll be in if the trades are posted live to us and we can ride the gambling wave with you in real-time.

    I'm concussed from football and in no shape to research today but I'm also wanting an example of this 125% leverage limit and how the 1% shift would play out.
    You're either in or you're not, but I will update the thread daily as a minimum. See how it plays and if there's interest/time maybe go trade by trade or whatever. What I need to be wary of is keeping myself on an even keel and not introducing any unnecessary pressure.

    1% x 125% = 125%, although with incremental position sizing, so the move would need to be a bigger than 1%, say 1.5%. 0.5% scaling in and then a 1% rip. No need to double the account every time though obviously.

    I'll make it as interactive as I can. I wasn't expecting this much buy in tbh. If we hit 2k then there's a decision to be made, which I'll run by you all if we hit it. But when it comes to the trades there won't be any "shall we do this, lads?", because the move will have come and gone. I have full autonomy on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    No idea. If I invest 20 quid, is that the maximum I can lose? I don’t want Mellin PMing me in 3 months telling me I owe him 10 grand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    No idea. If I invest 20 quid, is that the maximum I can lose? I don’t want Mellin PMing me in 3 months telling me I owe him 10 grand.
    Yeah. 0 is bust as far as I'm aware.

    Although I have no idea how Tax would work here. Every trade is liable for CGT, which I suppose is Mellins problem as he is doing them, but then what happens when we all receive our millions? No idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    No idea. If I invest 20 quid, is that the maximum I can lose? I don’t want Mellin PMing me in 3 months telling me I owe him 10 grand.


    Yeah the max you can lose is what you send me. The max we can all lose is what is in the trading account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Yeah. 0 is bust as far as I'm aware.

    Although I have no idea how Tax would work here. Every trade is liable for CGT, which I suppose is Mellins problem as he is doing them, but then what happens when we all receive our millions? No idea.
    Yeah, CGT is a factor. This is going to be in the interactive bit, but I would manage that if we choose the option with CGT as obviously I would be liable.

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    We don't have CGT here, so just relocate with the initial fund raise and then start a new thread.

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    Can Mellin live in your shed for the duration of this?

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    I have to be part of this, one way or another. No matter what the outcome, it's likely to be its own chapter in the TTH novel.

    £100 for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Can Mellin live in your shed for the duration of this?
    Yes, absolutely.

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    I'll vouch that Mellin knows his shit. Taught me a lot (although we trade completely different).

    There is a chance it'll all disappear but by spreading it about risk is kept more minimal. It'll be a good ride lads.

    It's also hard as fuck to do.

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    Cool, thanks Mellin. I’ll stick with my £20.

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    This is like Wolf of Wall Street, but with autistic FM nerds instead of Margot Robbie

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    It's Crypto, so we're actually the cool kids on the scene for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    It's Crypto, so we're actually the cool kids on the scene for once.
    I've waited so long for this.

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