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    RedIssue have taken a moment to stop with conspiracy to do the stuff they're good at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    The other thing...

    So many fans are unhappy and self righteous about these owners at the moment. But these are the same fans that have been willing their clubs to spunk a load of money on signing the next superstar for their club. They can't have it both ways, if you want the big name signings, then you need the millionaire owners. And if you have millionaire owners, expecting some sort of socialist club is beyond naive.
    I don’t think it’s as simple as this.

    I want my team (Birmingham) to have a competent owner who doesn’t fire managers when they are doing well. Who doesn’t consistently violate financial rules etc. Never mind what goes on on the pitch. Instead, for the last ten years, we’ve had sheer incompetence and downright mind-boggling decision making in the club. All from faceless owners who use the club as a play-thing. Do the FA or the EFL care? Do they fuck.

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    Football is completely rotten to the core, culturally, you only have to look at what goes on in non-league football for that, or the fact that every fan seems to genuinely believe that every referee in existence is TERRIBLE and INCOMPETENT or even BIASED.

    Add in mafioso charlatans like Agnelli and Perez with egos the size of Jupiter and zero accountability to anyone, and a good dusting of American nightmare capitalism, and you have this kind of situation.

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    British Super League now lolz

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    It would be quite a good way of killing the Scottish independence movement stone dead.

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    I don't have particularly much to add to this, other than to say it was all very funny. There should be some pretty steep penalties, but it's hard to imagine that there will.

    Juventus are clearly the bad guys, too. No sympathy whatsoever for this disgrace.

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    Also, the sheer arrogance was mostly highlighted by how much it blindsided the players and managers. It's like the owners forgot that someone actually has to march out and play the games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Fan ownership doesn't mean socialist club(s).
    I hadn't heard about that Germany 50+1 rule until this all happened. It seems like a quality compromise between SOCIALIST CLUBS and the current reality.

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    German football was barely professional until the sixties, and one team, who happen to be from the wealthiest city in the wealthiest region, have won half of the titles since.

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    Problem with the [much vaunted] German Model is that it doesn't really allow for the Citys or Chelseas of this world to happen (unless you bend/break the rules), so you just end up with an extremely entrenched status quo that can never really be challenged. Much as the blood money sides are a menace, at least they provide some resistance to what would otherwise mostly be United winning the league forever (a la Bayern).

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    I think there needs to be some protection against the vultures who currently inhibit the game. For every russian oligarch, you get the bloke who took over Portsmouth. These are community institutions that should be protected as best as we can. Football is England.

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    Annoyingly, one of the sentiments I hear on facebook is, "Punish them and let MBS take over Toon!" which is just something I don't want to see. If the Court of Arbitration finds the Premier League took the piss, fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I've just scanned through it and with him and Agnelli I'm increasingly not sure whether this is just an act or if they actually believe this 'but how can football be good if my club isn't rich? ' line. All the others who've made statements have largely rolled out the stock apology and accepted that this shit ain't gonna fly these two are giving it the misunderstood hero act and really fucking committing to it.

    I may be overthinking it but it occurs to me those two have long associations with teams who've basically always been fairly title winners in their respective countries so maybe tied into the arrogance and greed is a genuine belief that something would be fundamentally wrong with football if those sides aren't prospering. In that interview between bouts of I'M SAVING FOOTBALL, YOU FOOLS there's a lot of "Well if Real Madrid can't afford to spaff £200m a season up the wall on players then what's even the point?"

    Or, as a second theory, they're just cunts.
    I don't think it's any coincidence that Real Madrid are the club with the most debt and their owner/president is the one with the most resolve to this shitfest.

    It's baffling that clubs are allowed to rack up that much debt and continue with their excessive wage structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    I don’t think it’s as simple as this.

    I want my team (Birmingham) to have a competent owner who doesn’t fire managers when they are doing well. Who doesn’t consistently violate financial rules etc. Never mind what goes on on the pitch. Instead, for the last ten years, we’ve had sheer incompetence and downright mind-boggling decision making in the club. All from faceless owners who use the club as a play-thing. Do the FA or the EFL care? Do they fuck.
    All fair comments.

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    Also despite all the love for german football ownership didn't Leipzig just lol at the rules and get round them?

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    These review proposals into football are hilarious.

    If we want to disband capitalism and all its trappings, then fine, they might just be workable, but much like with climate change, we're simply not going to.

    It would be nice if we stopped pretending.

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    I mean, look at the fucking state of this shit.


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    Anything worthwhile that could come of it would be blocked by FIFA when they threaten to ban the national team for government interference anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    RedIssue have taken a moment to stop with conspiracy to do the stuff they're good at.
    Your actual, in real life mate appears to have cracked it, and it all ties into the 'Great Reset'.

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    Maybe we're the wrong ones?

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    I've finally booted up FIFA 99 and their Super League is the same format.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/football...r-league-plans

    Hopefully it's true so he now doubles down on change in legislation.

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    A decent thread from Swiss Ramble on the ESL 12's finances;


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    Interesting, although as ever a bit lengthy and rambling.

    Main takeaway personally is it reaffirms just how mad it was for FSG to bowl headlong into the whole thing. Having spent the best part of a decade laying the groundwork for being considered 'the right sort of Americans', and having very little debt or probably even significant losses to be to panicked by, they've torched all that [good] work with this (and Project Big Picture) and for what? Numpties.

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    I still think the main driving factor behind all 12 is that they're all scared of an impending TV rights crash (TV rights being the only thing driving the value of the sport in the first place) and the tranche that would be wiped off their investment as a result.

    Every sport / means of entertainment has its peaks and troughs, football is no different.

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    The clubs are presumably only worth what they're 'worth' if you factor in ever-increasing revenues. If United is worth four billion quid, you could strip every single penny out of it every single year and it would still be a pretty shit investment.

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    They were but the goal contributions of the standout Fallon D'flor candidate dried up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    The clubs are presumably only worth what they're 'worth' if you factor in ever-increasing revenues. If United is worth four billion quid, you could strip every single penny out of it every single year and it would still be a pretty shit investment.
    Why do the Glazers and so on like buying them? I can see why Roman Abramovich and the sand states want to launder money/reputation through the clubs, but American money into a sponge makes no sense unless they think 'a' Super League type game changer would make the clubs intrinsically way more valuable in the long run.

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    The Glazers bought into football at the right moment, and the way they went about it, with both the total debt taken on and the rates it was taken on it, suggests that they knew exactly what sort of growth was coming down the line to pay for it all. They obviously want more money out of it, but they could sell up for two billion and have nothing to kvetch about. The other Americans have probably got into it a bit late to cash in to anything like the same extent.

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    The Glazers have made a fortune out of United, and Liverpool's mob essentially stole it off the other bunch of Americans/RBS so they're probably not doing too badly either.

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    Lol at Juve, Barca and Real doubling down hard on this.

    I honestly believe all three of them are financially completely ruined and this was their only hope.

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    Scenes when the SuperLeague ends up being Juventus, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Southend United, Bury FC, Bolton and Portsmouth.

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    They did it to promote women's football huh.

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    Clearly some sort of Messi/Ronaldo curse.

    A Faustian Pact type thing, United just thankful that WooWar was such a legendary wheeler dealer or they'd be heading the same way.

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    https://www.juventus.com/en/news/art...adrid-30-07-21

    Well I'm no expert but sounds like UEFA have taken a pasting.

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    Is it back?

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    They haven't properly shown off their proposals yet, but what's interesting is that in the time since, UEFA has put forward changes that got close to what the Super League was going to be anyway.

    UEFA haven't stated there will be permanent members of the Champions League, however they can select teams who didn't qualify through their league based on their "European heritage" etc. So while this season, Liverpool and Chelsea are going to miss out, once the reform hits it wont matter if they finish 16th or 2nd. They'll still be in.

    The purpose of the Super League was to take all power away from UEFA and put the select group of clubs in charge. Given that all of the English teams came running back with tail between legs, you wonder if they'd join back up knowing Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus are in charge.

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    European 'eritage is exactly how tournaments should be decided.

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    By and large it is.

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    Back on?

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    Let's hope so #blowitup

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    All hail The Line United Goalkicker Allstars.

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    I don't really follow how this new structure is meant to work - is it meant to replace domestic football? As, if it does, that's going to be way less football - 16 team league is 30 games home and away, with 5 more in 'the play-offs'. That's a 35 game season against what now, 60 games? I understand this is an attempt to move to an NFL style arrangement, but way less football, even if it is sold as being higher quality, which it won't be, seems a bit of a rubbish deal.

    And if it is meant to replace European football with some form of domestic competition running alongside it, then it is going to be far too many games, so I don't really get it.

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    If I recall it was / is meant to run alongside the current competitions rather than replacing anything.

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    With this and the Saudi's very much about to change everything as we know it, I can only say.

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    The idea presumably being it brings so much money to the Super League clubs that they can afford to have an A-team for ESL games and a B-team for their pesky domestic obligations.

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    This has me wanting to get back to FM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    The idea presumably being it brings so much money to the Super League clubs that they can afford to have an A-team for ESL games and a B-team for their pesky domestic obligations.
    The entire thing is going to be streamed on a free YouTube knock off and all revenue will be generated by pre-roll ads. It'd fail if they tried it.

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