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  • Yes, I'm high risk/vulnerable.

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  • Yes, but not high risk/vulnerable.

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  • No, I see no reason to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Still, atleast there's no Iraqi blood on my hands
    Just Nick Clegg's tears.

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    I remember my history teacher in 2005 making a big deal out of 'Vote Blair, Get Brown', as if that was going to solve all the problems and set New Labour up for the next ten years. The Iron Chancellor. The CLUNKING FIST. Meanwhile, he was actually an ocean-going mentalist.

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    From Sky News. Thought it was worth sharing.

    Tiny number of infections among fully vaccinated people revealed by US health officials

    Just 5,800 cases of COVID-19 infection have been reported among the 66 million people who have been fully vaccinated in the US, officials have revealed.

    The Center for Disease Control and Infection say the number of cases – which equates to a rate of 0.008% of those who have completed a full course of jabs - is in line with expectations.

    Of the 5,800 cases, 396 (7%) required hospital treatment and 74 people died.

    The figures reflect what health authorities have consistently said about vaccination – that it does not offer complete protection against death and disease.

    And the CDC said in a statement to CNN: "To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics."


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    Risk of rare blood clots higher for Covid than for vaccines - study
    A study suggests the risk of getting rare blood clots is eight to 10 times higher after contracting coronavirus than it is for those who have been vaccinated against the disease.

    Researchers at Oxford University (independent of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine) said the risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) - an unusual blood clot in the brain also known as CVST (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) - is around eight to 10 times higher after catching the virus than getting vaccinated with the BioNTech-Pfizer, Moderna or Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid jabs.

    The researchers said people who have had Covid shouldn't be unduly worried by clots either.

    The findings come after many European countries moved to restrict the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in younger people following reports of these rare blood clots.

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    74 deaths out of 66 million vaccinated. That's 0.0001%. But yeah, let's keep saying "not completely protective".

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    The make up of that 74 (e.g. ages, gender) is important to understand if there's a higher risk profile for certain groups and advise accordingly.

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    There is no advice to give. Unless we develop more effective treatments or vaccines that protect better than 99.999% of deaths then this is it. Even if you found all 74 of those deaths were in a very particular group it would still come out at an incredibly low percentage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    The make up of that 74 (e.g. ages, gender) is important to understand if there's a higher risk profile for certain groups and advise accordingly.
    This is a wind up, surely?

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    How is it a wind up? Warnings are provided on medicines and vaccines all the time. Don't be obtuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    74 deaths out of 66 million vaccinated. That's 0.0001%. But yeah, let's keep saying "not completely protective".
    74 is far too much, time to stop the vaccines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    How is it a wind up? Warnings are provided on medicines and vaccines all the time. Don't be obtuse.
    The number is far too small to necessitate any sort of analysis as to what groups the 74 fell into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    How is it a wind up? Warnings are provided on medicines and vaccines all the time. Don't be obtuse.
    Are you maaaaad?

    74 people out of 66 million fully vaccinated people have died from covid and you want to know the risk profile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    The number is far too small to necessitate any sort of analysis as to what groups the 74 fell into.
    I agree, although it seems women are being hit harder by it. The J+J clots are all women so far but ours is a wider spread. The only advice they can possibly dish out at the moment is what to do when you suspect a CVST is kicking off.

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    Again, stratify the 74. I'm sure they have the data. I'm not saying you stop the vaccine rollout but you try to understand if it increases risk factors for *certain groups*.

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    But it's bollocks because the group would have to be incredibly niche because 74 (in near enough any group) will be such a small percentage of those vaccinated in said group.

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    Not really. What if they're all under 30? That 74 then comes from a much smaller pool of people and one that is going to grow significantly in future. He's only saying look at the data and make sure it's not pointing at a bigger future problem ffs.

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    Spikey and Kiko in the mud in here today. You love to see it.

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    Presumably the 74 would have died from COVID if they hadn't had the vaccine, so I really don't understand why anyone would give a shit (statistically speaking) that 74 people (from sixty-six, 66, sixty-fucking-six million) have still caught COVID and died having been vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Spikey and Kiko in the mud in here today. You love to see it.
    I can only assume the article was misread and they thought the vaccine had killed 74 people, but even then...

    As it is, if it isn't that, I've no idea what is going on.

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    Like I said, it would have to be an incredibly specific cohort for that number to be meaningful. It’s bollocks and further proves the point that the products are safe and efficacious and no amount of spin is going to deter that. I don’t care what the 1 in a million risks are. Fuck off and stop telling me the products don’t protect us when they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Presumably the 74 would have died from COVID if they hadn't had the vaccine, so I really don't understand why anyone would give a shit (statistically speaking) that 74 people (from sixty-six, 66, sixty-fucking-six million) have still caught COVID and died having been vaccinated.
    Yep, almost certainly just unlucky cases.

    But, potentially they were ultra-vulnerable people? Or, maybe they all had diabetes? Or another condition?

    What's the harm in finding out if there's something that links these people? It may be that there's an easy fix and it's not like we have to stop vaccinating while they look into it.

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    Take the L, you mug.

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    Aren't these all from the first doses? So it's 74 in 31 million. Even then, that number will be smaller because it takes 7-21 days for the clots to strike.

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    It’s from the US CDC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Yep, almost certainly just unlucky cases.

    But, potentially they were ultra-vulnerable people? Or, maybe they all had diabetes? Or another condition?

    What's the harm in finding out if there's something that links these people? It may be that there's an easy fix and it's not like we have to stop vaccinating while they look into it.
    They'll already have looked into it and I don't care if they do, I just don't think we need any more warnings or advice on the back of it.

    Do people actively want to go into lockdown again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    Aren't these all from the first doses? So it's 74 in 31 million. Even then, that number will be smaller because it takes 7-21 days for the clots to strike.
    Please read the piece again, for the love of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    They'll already have looked into it and I don't care if they do, I just don't think we need any more warnings or advice on the back of it.

    Do people actively want to go into lockdown again?
    Fair. I've no disagreement there.

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    I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I can only assume the article was misread and they thought the vaccine had killed 74 people, but even then...

    As it is, if it isn't that, I've no idea what is going on.
    Yeah I thought the 74 was the number of people who had died from blood-clots, until re-reading just now and seeing that I've conflated Quincy and Niko's links. Good timing too as I was about to put my body on the line defending Kiko and Spikey.

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    Jesus we're bored. Open the clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Please read the piece again, for the love of God.
    You can't make me. You're going to be so bored when this is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.
    There's nothing to investigate, the vaccine doesn't stop 0.0001% of people dying. That's it. If you want warnings or advice on the back of that then you should ask for the moon on a stick at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.
    I have no problem with investigation into these side effects. It’s absolutely right. What isn’t right is then using these incredibly rare side effects and deaths as a springboard to suggest the products aren’t enough for us to return to normal life. It’s disingenuous and manipulative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    You can't make me. You're going to be so bored when this is over.
    I'm loving life opening up and I'd prefer it stayed that way, hence me not idly standing by as a good chuck of TTH thought 74 people had died from being vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.
    I thing the main source of the ire is that it shouldn't really be in the news. Which I agree with. It's worth the scientists taking a look at to make sure all is well, but an incident killing 0.0007% of people affected isn't really "news" and does smell a bit off.

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    I'm in team Yev now. Open the garden centres.

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    We're basically all just saying the same thing in different ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    I have no problem with investigation into these side effects. It’s absolutely right. What isn’t right is then using these incredibly rare side effects and deaths as a springboard to suggest the products aren’t enough for us to return to normal life. It’s disingenuous and manipulative.
    The other problem we have (and I'm not saying it applies here) is that people are absolutely useless with numbers. There is no word in the English language to adequately describe how large sixty-six million is, other than the number itself. Conversely, there's no word good enough to describe how small 0.0001% is either. If people don't understand numbers or percentages (and that problem is wide-rife) you're a bit fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I'm loving life opening up and I'd prefer it stayed that way, hence me not idly standing by as a good chuck of TTH thought 74 people had died from being vaccinated.
    And, well, that's how I kept the country open.

    *broom picture*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    And, well, that's how I kept the country open.

    *broom picture*
    Honestly, the next time China let a potential pandemic out of a lab and we vaccinate against it, we just need a simple message:

    "The Vaccine is a magic bullet, kills COVID-27 dead"

    "Jimmy Savile was an anti-vaxxer, take it and don't be a nonce".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    there's no word good enough to describe how small 0.0001% is.
    A few months back there were a load of Noob's buying this:



    Millions of shares at a time for peanuts. They were all saying "it only has to hit $1". None of them could grasp how ridiculous that is. It looks so close.

    In reality, if that hit $1 the company - a near bankrupt Vape shop - would be valued at 5 times the value of Kelloggs.

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    Are you saying buy?

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    Hold.

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    Yeah, you folks have misunderstood the quote I posted. It's not about side effects or blood clots.

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    Had a vaccine letter come through today.

    For a friend who lives in Sydney, isn't from here, has never lived here, and was probably last on the island 5 years ago for a week.



    I did think about just booking in as him but I'll wait my turn.

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    The missus isn't getting the AZ jab because some 49 year old diabetic died of blood clots after taking the AZ.

    I'm the only person in my wee bubble holding the line. Still due for my AZ jab on the 27th.

    AZ is dirt now for plenty of people after a disgraceful media campaign.
    Last edited by Queenslander; 16-04-2021 at 12:59 AM.

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    Yesterday was pretty rough post the jab. Fever/flu like reaction, low energy etc. Feeling a bit better already today so hopefully that was the worst of it.

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    That'll just be the depression from the SHAM MARRIAGE, mate, nothing to worry about.

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    Loveless.

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    I had general flu-like symptoms but the worst was joint pain. My ankles felt like they were on fire for 24 hours.

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