Yes, I'm high risk/vulnerable.
Yes, but not high risk/vulnerable.
No, I see no reason to get it.
No, I think Magic makes a lot of sense.
Undecided.
I remember my history teacher in 2005 making a big deal out of 'Vote Blair, Get Brown', as if that was going to solve all the problems and set New Labour up for the next ten years. The Iron Chancellor. The CLUNKING FIST. Meanwhile, he was actually an ocean-going mentalist.
From Sky News. Thought it was worth sharing.
Tiny number of infections among fully vaccinated people revealed by US health officials
Just 5,800 cases of COVID-19 infection have been reported among the 66 million people who have been fully vaccinated in the US, officials have revealed.
The Center for Disease Control and Infection say the number of cases – which equates to a rate of 0.008% of those who have completed a full course of jabs - is in line with expectations.
Of the 5,800 cases, 396 (7%) required hospital treatment and 74 people died.
The figures reflect what health authorities have consistently said about vaccination – that it does not offer complete protection against death and disease.
And the CDC said in a statement to CNN: "To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics."
Risk of rare blood clots higher for Covid than for vaccines - study
A study suggests the risk of getting rare blood clots is eight to 10 times higher after contracting coronavirus than it is for those who have been vaccinated against the disease.
Researchers at Oxford University (independent of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine) said the risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) - an unusual blood clot in the brain also known as CVST (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) - is around eight to 10 times higher after catching the virus than getting vaccinated with the BioNTech-Pfizer, Moderna or Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid jabs.
The researchers said people who have had Covid shouldn't be unduly worried by clots either.
The findings come after many European countries moved to restrict the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in younger people following reports of these rare blood clots.
74 deaths out of 66 million vaccinated. That's 0.0001%. But yeah, let's keep saying "not completely protective".
The make up of that 74 (e.g. ages, gender) is important to understand if there's a higher risk profile for certain groups and advise accordingly.
There is no advice to give. Unless we develop more effective treatments or vaccines that protect better than 99.999% of deaths then this is it. Even if you found all 74 of those deaths were in a very particular group it would still come out at an incredibly low percentage.
How is it a wind up? Warnings are provided on medicines and vaccines all the time. Don't be obtuse.
Again, stratify the 74. I'm sure they have the data. I'm not saying you stop the vaccine rollout but you try to understand if it increases risk factors for *certain groups*.
But it's bollocks because the group would have to be incredibly niche because 74 (in near enough any group) will be such a small percentage of those vaccinated in said group.
Not really. What if they're all under 30? That 74 then comes from a much smaller pool of people and one that is going to grow significantly in future. He's only saying look at the data and make sure it's not pointing at a bigger future problem ffs.
Spikey and Kiko in the mud in here today. You love to see it.
Presumably the 74 would have died from COVID if they hadn't had the vaccine, so I really don't understand why anyone would give a shit (statistically speaking) that 74 people (from sixty-six, 66, sixty-fucking-six million) have still caught COVID and died having been vaccinated.
Like I said, it would have to be an incredibly specific cohort for that number to be meaningful. It’s bollocks and further proves the point that the products are safe and efficacious and no amount of spin is going to deter that. I don’t care what the 1 in a million risks are. Fuck off and stop telling me the products don’t protect us when they do.
Yep, almost certainly just unlucky cases.
But, potentially they were ultra-vulnerable people? Or, maybe they all had diabetes? Or another condition?
What's the harm in finding out if there's something that links these people? It may be that there's an easy fix and it's not like we have to stop vaccinating while they look into it.
Take the L, you mug.
Aren't these all from the first doses? So it's 74 in 31 million. Even then, that number will be smaller because it takes 7-21 days for the clots to strike.
It’s from the US CDC.
I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.
Jesus we're bored. Open the clubs.
I have no problem with investigation into these side effects. It’s absolutely right. What isn’t right is then using these incredibly rare side effects and deaths as a springboard to suggest the products aren’t enough for us to return to normal life. It’s disingenuous and manipulative.
I'm in team Yev now. Open the garden centres.
We're basically all just saying the same thing in different ways.
The other problem we have (and I'm not saying it applies here) is that people are absolutely useless with numbers. There is no word in the English language to adequately describe how large sixty-six million is, other than the number itself. Conversely, there's no word good enough to describe how small 0.0001% is either. If people don't understand numbers or percentages (and that problem is wide-rife) you're a bit fucked.
A few months back there were a load of Noob's buying this:
Millions of shares at a time for peanuts. They were all saying "it only has to hit $1". None of them could grasp how ridiculous that is. It looks so close.
In reality, if that hit $1 the company - a near bankrupt Vape shop - would be valued at 5 times the value of Kelloggs.
Are you saying buy?
Yeah, you folks have misunderstood the quote I posted. It's not about side effects or blood clots.
Had a vaccine letter come through today.
For a friend who lives in Sydney, isn't from here, has never lived here, and was probably last on the island 5 years ago for a week.
I did think about just booking in as him but I'll wait my turn.
The missus isn't getting the AZ jab because some 49 year old diabetic died of blood clots after taking the AZ.
I'm the only person in my wee bubble holding the line. Still due for my AZ jab on the 27th.
AZ is dirt now for plenty of people after a disgraceful media campaign.
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Yesterday was pretty rough post the jab. Fever/flu like reaction, low energy etc. Feeling a bit better already today so hopefully that was the worst of it.
That'll just be the depression from the SHAM MARRIAGE, mate, nothing to worry about.
Loveless.
I had general flu-like symptoms but the worst was joint pain. My ankles felt like they were on fire for 24 hours.