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    The reason less men want to get married these days

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...OF1?li=AAaeUIW

    Two ex-wives who say they are entitled to more money after separation have won their supreme court claims that will allow others to reopen their divorce settlements.

    Alison Sharland, 48, and Varsha Gohil, 50, argued that their ex-husbands misled judges about how much they were worth.

    Both women took their claims to the supreme court in London to establish that non-disclosure in divorce settlements requires a case to be re-examined. Their ex-husbands disagreed.

    Delivering judgment in the Sharland case, Lady Hale, deputy president of the supreme court, said: “She had been deprived of her right to a full and fair hearing of her claims.”
    Both women posed for photos outside the court, smiling, and with their arms around each other. Gohil said: “I’m absolutely relieved by this judgment. I am relieved by the clarity and decisions by the judges.”
    Gohil, who said her children had given her the strength to continue fighting the case, added: “There are absolutely no winners in divorce and more than a thought has to be given to the children of families locked in this type of litigation.”
    “The price they pay is a very heavy one. The emotional strain of it is huge on everyone, the drain in financial resources is enormous and none of it serves the family,” she said.
    Sharland said: “I am relieved and delighted that the supreme court judges have ruled in our favour. I hope that their decision sends out a message to everyone going through a divorce that they cannot lie in the family courts and get away with it.”
    She said proceedings had “dragged on” and revealed at times she considered whether appealing was the right thing to do, “especially as there has been criticism about my pursuing the appeal because of the amount of the award which I originally received”.
    She had wanted to pursue her appeal to ensure that others were “not faced with a situation where their spouse tells lies, which potentially affects the outcome and interferes with achieving a just and fair settlement”.
    Sharland, from Wilmslow, Cheshire, had accepted £10.35m in cash and properties from her ex-husband, Charles, in the settlement three years ago, justices were told. It later emerged that shares in his company AppSense were worth considerably more than previously revealed.
    One estimate put the firm’s value at $1bn (£656m), although lawyers at the time told the court that it was worth between £31m and £47m.
    Charles Sharland was found in an earlier case to have “laid a false trail by his dishonest evidence” and to have hidden the fact that he was considering floating the firm.
    In the other divorce settlement case, Bhadresh Gohil was found by the appeal court an “out-and-out rogue involved in financial criminality on an eye-watering scale”.

    He was convicted of money laundering following their divorce, justices heard. Gohil and his former wife have three grown-up children who remain financially dependent on their mother.
    She had accepted £270,000 plus a car from her husband Bhadresh more than a decade ago.

    The court of appeal had previously ruled in Bhadresh Gohil’s favour, saying that because the courts were not allowed to use evidence from the husband’s criminal trial, held in open court but not released by the Crown Prosecution Service, they could not prove that he was being dishonest in the original proceedings.

    Neither woman has yet said how much they want, but both say their claims should be re-examined and all evidence now available considered.

    Commenting on the judgment, Graham Coy, a partner at the law firm Mundays, said: “Perseverance wins out. Today’s judgment sets aside the financial agreements which was reached when both of Mrs Sharland and Mrs Gohil’s husbands misled the court about their true financial position. The cases will now be reopened and reconsidered.

    “This is a victory for common sense and a defeat for dishonesty – it just goes to show that if you don’t put all your cards on the table when divorcing it might come back to bite you further down the line. Importantly, today’s decision could open the floodgates for more people to try and renegotiate historic divorce settlements.”
    Rosie Schumm, a partner in family law at the firm Wedlake Bell, said: “In answer to those that say this case opens the floodgates to claims by wronged wives, the much more powerful point is that it will act as a clear deterrent to those husbands who are tempted to defraud their wives. It warns them that they cannot get away with it.
    “The lying husband should not be allowed the keys to the fast car to allow him to drive off into the sunset never to be seen again. This judgment forces him to account for his actions and hammers out the exact consequences of the fraud on the consent orders reached between husbands and wives.”

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    Nah, it's still generally because marriage is rather shit and expensive.
    Test.

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    Sharland, from Wilmslow, Cheshire, had accepted £10.35m in cash and properties from her ex-husband, Charles
    She must have been really struggling until this latest settlement, poor mite

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    It does bring a tear to the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Nah, it's still generally because marriage is rather shit and expensive.
    As has been the case since before any of us were born.

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    a thought has to be given to the children of families locked in this type of litigation.”
    “The price they pay is a very heavy one.
    You can really see why she had no choice but to put them through it.

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    He concealed half a billion quid from the court. It's hardly a lol decision.

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    And what has she done to be entitled to that?

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    They were married for six years before he founded his company, so I think the idea is that by supporting him and bringing up their kids she enabled him to build the business. Those cases where somebody marries an already wealthy geezer and then tries to claim half of his assets are a joke, but this isn't one of those.

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    Is it true that less men are getting married, or are they just marrying later?

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    There are probably more men getting married now, what with gay marriage and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    They were married for six years before he founded his company, so I think the idea is that by supporting him and bringing up their kids she enabled him to build the business. Those cases where somebody marries an already wealthy geezer and then tries to claim half of his assets are a joke, but this isn't one of those.
    Bringing up their kids? That's worth a million plus a year now, is it? What kind of greedy cunt do you have to be to put your own kids through the shit she did because you think you deserve more than £10 million?

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    I've no idea what it's worth, but I reckon his business would have been less successful had he had to stay at home (or even leave early) to look after his three kids (one of which was disabled). That isn't really the point of the case though. He concealed ninety per cent of his worth from courts. Can you think of any other legal matters where actively misleading them (that is to say committing fraud) makes you the wronged party?

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    This is the most unbelievable shit I've ever heard.

    "Oh no, you had to raise your own kids?! Millions for you, then!"

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    Think of the level of escort you could get for that amount of money, might as well pay the money and get a decent looking wife in the first place.

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    That isn't the reason I don't want to get married. The reason for that is that it seems like a massive waste of time and money. I doubt very much that the reason for fewer men wanting to marry (if that's true; I've no idea if it is) is because they're frightened of getting stung. It will be shifting social attitudes. It used to be expected of you, now it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Is it true that less men are getting married, or are they just marrying later?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I doubt very much that the reason for fewer men wanting to marry (if that's true; I've no idea if it is)
    There are definitely fewer marriages. It's down in absolute terms from the mid-twentieth century and about level with the start of that century despite the population growth.

    Hard to say if it's fewer men that want to marry of course, given each of those marriages also includes a woman, and there are countless reasons women's views of it may have changed.

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    Not being called a slag for having a kid (and having said kid taken away) outside of marriage probably being the major one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    I've no idea what it's worth, but I reckon his business would have been less successful had he had to stay at home (or even leave early) to look after his three kids (one of which was disabled). That isn't really the point of the case though. He concealed ninety per cent of his worth from courts. Can you think of any other legal matters where actively misleading them (that is to say committing fraud) makes you the wronged party?
    I think a billionaire could probably afford childcare of a fairly decent level. I'm not saying it's technically wrong in lawful terms, I'm saying the law is wrong to begin with. And that the woman is unimaginably greedy.

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    He wasn't always a billionaire. Would he have got it off the ground in the first place if she was dead? Who knows, but he's also a greedy twat trying to hide his wealth so lol at them both.

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    Fewer.

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    Perhaps he hid it because she was a fucking bitch and he didn't want her to have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    He wasn't always a billionaire. Would he have got it off the ground in the first place if she was dead? Who knows, but he's also a greedy twat trying to hide his wealth so lol at them both.
    What do you know about his history? Was he a billionaire before he met her?

    Rosie Schumm, a partner in family law at the firm Wedlake Bell, said: “In answer to those that say this case opens the floodgates to claims by wronged wives, the much more powerful point is that it will act as a clear deterrent to those husbands who are tempted to defraud their wives. It warns them that they cannot get away with it."
    This basically says it all. It doesn't send a message to the wives, just the husbands. Because the husband is always the one who should furnish the wife with his money, obviously.

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    I know the reason I'm not married is because when I inevitably become a billionaire and divorce my partner, I want to keep it all.

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    Most people couldn't afford to give up half their stuff, unlike this man (though the principle is still wrong).

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    What do you know about his history? Was he a billionaire before he met her?
    I spent literally minutes reading about the case earlier (in fact I mentioned in a previous post that their marriage pre-dated the founding of the company). You could have done the same, but I suppose if you know what you're talking about then you miss out on the fun of having to act like you did all along.

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    I am getting married in 7 weeks. *goes to hide his millions*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    I spent literally minutes reading about the case earlier (in fact I mentioned in a previous post that their marriage pre-dated the founding of the company). You could have done the same, but I suppose if you know what you're talking about then you miss out on the fun of having to act like you did all along.
    It mentioned nothing of it in the link I posted. Besides which, it doesn't follow that he wouldn't have succeeded without her. Maybe he would have made even more.

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    They should really have considered that, I agree.

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    How would he have made even more?

    Would him having to work half as much given him extra motivation?

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    Neither should have been considered unless there was clear evidence. I somehow doubt she had one bit to do with his success.

    I'm not saying he would have made even more - I am challenging the claim that it follows that he wouldn't have made the money he did without her. Why would he have worked half as much?

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    Who would take care of his kids?

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    I think he could probably afford childcare, and again, you don't earn millions for looking after your own children.

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    So their mum wouldn't be around, and they wouldn't see their dad either.

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    Firstly, why wouldn't she be around? Secondly, Lots of working mothers and fathers use childcare. I don't think she was looking after her own kids as a favour to him.

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    End of the day they're probably both greedy cunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niobium Knight View Post
    End of the day they're probably both greedy cunts.
    Agreed with that, go and make your own money

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    I think a billionaire could probably afford childcare of a fairly decent level. I'm not saying it's technically wrong in lawful terms, I'm saying the law is wrong to begin with. And that the woman is unimaginably greedy.
    In what way is the law wrong? The law says you can't lie to the court in order to defraud your partner. Seems right on to me.

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    Its a good and hard fought ruling. Fuck 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McAvennie View Post
    In what way is the law wrong? The law says you can't lie to the court in order to defraud your partner. Seems right on to me.
    In that it awards women like these money they do not deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    What do you know about his history? Was he a billionaire before he met her?



    This basically says it all. It doesn't send a message to the wives, just the husbands. Because the husband is always the one who should furnish the wife with his money, obviously.
    You seem to be missing the most salient point about this case, which is that it's about challenging the fraud committed by one partner on another in a divorce, not about the nature of divorce settlements themselves.

    Or are you saying that it's ok to commit fraud and lie to courts in the context of dissolution of marriage?

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