Well it's basic services also. I have colleagues at work who wouldn't be able come in without the schools looking after their kids.Originally Posted by bruhnaldo
Well it's basic services also. I have colleagues at work who wouldn't be able come in without the schools looking after their kids.
Is this just herd immunity on the sly?
Give or take, about 90% of workers are essential in some way or other.
That's how society works.
We've shut the schools because testing has gone to shit (we'll get you the results back in about a week, lol, thanks UK lab), Jersey has community transmission and we're bound to follow suit. Bring forth the cull. There is some hope that the schools will reopen after Easter if there is no 'community seeding'. It's going to be a long month.
To be fair, they do:shit, northeast of the island I mean. Cabin fever has the directions fucked up.
The parents of some of the kids we're seeing really need to get their head around this. They are bringing in kids with a sniffle, who they definitely would normally have kept at home, "in case it's corona". I do understand people losing their sense of logic when it comes to panicking about their kids, but there are like 20 reasons this is a bad thing to do.
Herd immunity is an inevitable outcome rather than an aim. Most of us are going to get it anyway over the next couple of years so it will come anyway. And once it does it won't spread so well. Shielding the old and vulnerable from it and letting the rest of us get on to some extent isn't the worst idea. The problem is this first wave where there's no immunity at all so high proportions end up needing hospital care at once which will overwhelm the system. Each wave should have a lower and less severe peak after this one.
And it takes forever.
There will come a point when we will need to just start again and carry on. The world can't take two years of shutdown to keep a slice of the old and infirm alive a little longer. It will end up affecting the rest far worse than it affects people who die/are seriously ill from the virus.
It can take a few months of shutdown to restrict the horror of the initial peak, but that's it.
Actually saw that on the news last night. People are fucking stupid.
Couple of years, they reckon. Which, as Jim says, isn't a tolerable period of shut down.
They're obviously aiming to push on until early summer before they start gradually opening stuff up again. Hopefully by then we're able to test for who has it and who has had it, which means we'll never have to shut down in quite the same way again.
Well, that escalated quickly.
They called this morning and told me they've decided I can't come back to work for twelve weeks.
That's paid too, but with the expectation I use two weeks annual leave. I have pretty much two weeks annual leave already booked during that period anyway, to be honest. At least it took it out of my hands, I suppose. I'm going to be climbing the fucking walls though.
Amazon are looking for delivery drivers.
I believe the Coop round the corner are taking on too. Could be coining it here.
Welcome to my life. I'm already bored by the end of week one. I've got leave booked in June as well and I don't want them asking me to cancel that. By the time I come back, the leave sheet will be packed with other returnees. I'll be outside the window to sell any remaining leave so I'll have to see if I can carry a week across for next year.Well, that escalated quickly.
They called this morning and told me they've decided I can't come back to work for twelve weeks.
That's paid too, but with the expectation I use two weeks annual leave. I have pretty much two weeks annual leave already booked during that period anyway, to be honest. At least it took it out of my hands, I suppose. I'm going to be climbing the fucking walls though.
To be honest if I was off work but confined mostly to the house for that long I think I'd genuinely consider running deliveries. Stir crazy wouldn't begin to cover it.
I believe the Coop round the corner are taking on too. Could be coining it here.
I think I read somewhere Co-Op have created a few thousand jobs to get people doing this which is pretty good.
Them and Home Bargains donning it so far.
I've taken to streaming more and there's some online courses at work I can take. I've made a decision not to shop again until I'm absolutely out of stuff. Could be a disaster but I've got plenty in now.
The supermarket supply chains really should recover pretty soon as this level of demand cannot continue for long. That's another reason why the government need to have it in people's minds that there will be an end date.
Yeah I'm actually kind of glad my job means I'm staying at work. I'd go nuts at home for that long.
Badly drawn boy isnt looking well
Special Dom.
I'm in a similar situation, parents in their 70s but otherwise healthy and they are taking the right sort of precautions so I'm not overly concerned for them.
The general situation needs more stringent measures and I'm really hoping they're just waiting to time it properly. The government needs to guarantee wages, or a least a decent proportion, and force places to shut for a month or two.
We were expecting well over half of our kids in,
might be about 70%.
He clearly, does not have a clue.
Not having to listen to Michael Owen is a definitely one of the positive effects this shutdown has had on society.
I'm going to assume that post from Mickey is an attempt at satire.
The Czechs leading the race currently for most cases without a death. Best healthcare system in the world
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11960597
People need to see that. Everyone needs to see it.
Some of those poor bastards don't look that old either.
Mans needs facts.
Restriction to continue ‘most of a year’
Policies to limit the spread of coronavirus would need to be in place for "at least most of a year" to prevent intensive care units being overwhelmed, according to official scientific advice to the government.
The documents, prepared by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said alternating between more and less strict measures could "plausibly be effective at keeping the number of critical care cases within capacity".
I've just pinched this off the BBC Live Feed. I'm assuming this is what Boris was trying to get at with his '12 weeks' shite yesterday. Behave yourselves and we will see our first loosening of some restrictions in the summer. I think the principle is right. People need hope and a date to aim for that doesn't sound like we're never leaving the house again is an important part of that. But that isn't what he said, the clumsy fuck.
I'm taking the bit about it being plausible to stay within ICU capacity as a positive. That would mean far fewer deaths even in the most vulnerable group. Probably especially in that group. That needs to be used as the message. "You're going to kill your grandparents you twats and if you don't sort yourselves out we'll force you anyway" would be quite a strong message.
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I saw that. Actually belly laughed. The angry Indian woman was good value as well.
I dropped into Tesco earlier, and the only bread they had left was burger buns. Nothing else. Just seeded burger buns. If you're that desperate for bread, why would you turn your nose up at burger buns which are a much better substitute for 'normal bread' than some of the shit that was all gone?
This is going to be an extended period of fucking misery and I'm not sure the population is actually going to stand for it even for many weeks. There are no bombs falling to scare people, just reports of death, and not even in the war did they stop the basic tenets of human coexistence.
Got to get it in perspective, really. I mean it's shit, but a bomb isn't going to fall on my house.
In terms of normal life, what do I actually do? Go to work every day and go back home. See my mum and dad probably once a week. Watch football. Have some holidays. Work will be mostly from home for a while now. Not seeing mum and dad in person is probably the hardest bit but we're managing to substitute that with phone/video calls. Football is a hobby which can be replaced for a while by reading more, going for walks or whatever. Maybe I'll have to get into computer games. Holidays will just have to be done differently and largely in the UK unless some foreign travel can be allowed during any of the more 'open' periods.
These obviously aren't choices I'd have made without this happening but life can still be good. It's probably going to be a good lesson in not taking stuff and people for granted.
It's sitting inside, it's not that hard to do.
It's not even as bad as that. We can go out and see things/places. We just shouldn't be getting too close to other people for a while. The shitty thing is that it includes people we like and care about. But then that's the reason to stay away.
Indeed. It really isn't.
It's going to get much worse when relatives, co-workers etc. are affected, but nowhere near as bad as it could be for others if your only job is "stay inside".
That said, and like I said yesterday. It's grim as fuck and the ramifications will last for years. Whichever way you look at it.
'Going for walks' won't be happening. Maybe it's just because I feel like we're in a weird phoney war period at the moment in which nobody seems to be taking it remotely seriously (and in which I am still going to the office each day and seeing them not take it seriously), but I'm so scared of being locked down for a year.
I have the longest attention span in the world too. Boredom won't be the main issue. There will be psychological effects on everyone that have probably never even been wargamed.
That's as of today, when we're still not doing half the stuff you mongols have been calling for all week. Let us know how easy it is when you're literally not allowed out.
Ok, it'll be difficult, particularly the longer it goes on, but compared to what other people will be dealing with it'll be a walk in the park, albeit a walk with some minor psychological consequences.
It isn't going to be full lockdown for a year, though. Restrictions will be lifted at different times in different places. Places where people live in large numbers and on top of one another are going to be most fucked. My experience is that people are taking it pretty seriously. How long that will last I don't know. But all my friends and relatives are mostly staying in, and all have cancelled anything involving numbers of people. Work has been the most retarded place of all and that will be a problem for a lot of people who will be forced into spending time with others when it isn't necessary.
What I've found out so far during this (particularly in the office context) is who is an upstanding human being and who is a fucking cowardly pipsqueak. These things aren't always obvious in normal times but they are now.
It struck me earlier that when you actually compare what the government is going to potentially end up spending against the lives lost under various worst case scenarios, each of those lives is effectively costing millions of pounds. What is the threshold that Our NHS usually tells people to go off and die when they want an expensive, low-volume treatment out of it?
Well, Isolation Shindig is only going to last another week. I've taken the opportunity to come back to work as part of a skeleton crew. They can only spring for five days emergency leave so fuck it.
Wife's parents are literally just carrying on as normal, going out for coffee, food, etc every day. And just lying to my wife about it when she asks.
They're both in their late 60s, and her mum has dementia and diabetes. I reckon her dad's actively trying to get her infected.
The guys in the whatsapp group are becoming dull af so I've had to make a comeback. All Kiko can talk about is his office and GS keeps chatting shit about Lewis. I can't take it any more.
Probably need to get out more
I went out for the first time since the full lockdown (France) and I have to say it felt super weird to have to carry a form with my data and the reason why I am out.
That said, there were people out and about although it felt more like a Sunday than a weekday.
Still busy in my local suburb. Though residentially it's EXTREMELY quiet, which is weird. I for one welcome our new pigeon overlords.
Still couldn't get into town to judge it (the stab tent is still up) but the rail station platform was quiet. The buses I saw coming from Bishop Aukland were empty.
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