Which is a form of nimbyism, which is basically the national sport.
Which is a form of nimbyism, which is basically the national sport.
More than 300 young people were admitted to intensive care after contracting PIMS-TS, a rare inflammatory syndrome in children caused by the virus. The risks of children becoming severely unwell from the condition is one in 38,911.
@RL
Which twitter feed did you get that one from?
Daily Record.
What's the risk of a serious side effect attributable to the vaccine? (Hint, it's a lot less than 1 in 39,00)Originally Posted by Magic
More than 300 young people were admitted to intensive care after contracting PIMS-TS, a rare inflammatory syndrome in children caused by the virus. The risks of children becoming severely unwell from the condition is one in 38,911.
@RL
So the balance of risk is greatly in favour of vaccination.
Thank you for making my argument for me.
(Your quote is deliberately worded in a misleading way as well; if you have PIMS-TS your risk of being seriously unwell is 1 in 1).
Got my second jab today. And got a free ice cream at the vaccine centre.
What flavour?
Have you changed your FB profile pic yet.
Just your standard whippy one. They had a van at the exit.
You still use facebook? Is that where you're getting all your plandemic and anti-vax shit from?
Was in London yesterday and this morning the mask wearing is effectively not a thing there from what I could see especially among the brown people.
It was pretty good today when I was on. Vast majority are wearing their muzzles.
Still masked up in the north. Also, it appears one of the shopping centres has went very, very one-way traffic. Closing an exit to the bus station and only giving you one exit out of the centre itself feels daft.
Exeter still has a road in the middle of town reduced to a single lane, I am told to enable pedestrians to socially distance.
Sydney now has 19 people in ICU with Covid. Gold Standard Glads...
Not to completely piss on people's chips or anything but the people in hospital has risen by 800 in a week. Week before that it was 400. Week before that was 300. Week before that was 100.
Vaccinations are are their lowest level for the entire rollout. We might just have fucked this.
I was looking at some numbers yesterday and thinking, how are they this bad.
When the June easing was delayed my immediate thought was that if we're delaying that because it's a potential problem, what we're allowed to do currently is already a problem.
The vaccines don't last very long, do they? If hospital numbers continue to rise in this way nothing else makes sense.
1. In the North East it's driven by cases at universities and colleges. This in turn gets to the over 60's because Unis are right in the centre of town and people have to shop.
2. Easing of lockdown has accelerated cases.
3. The Delta variant has also added to that.
4. The Delta variant has impacted vaccine efficacy by 30%.
5. Turns out lockdown was really, really good at driving numbers down.
The thing about the vaccine slowdown is weird. Nobody's reported any supply chain issues but they are opening vaccine clinics and talking about vaccine hesitancy in younger groups.
The summer holidays should help massively. The real concern is going to be Autumn.
Scenes when ZeroCovid is the only actual solution.
Just roughly going by eye on the Guardian graphs (which is about as in depth an analysis as I can be bothered to do on this shit these days), the daily cases are at around the midway point of Wave 2 and hospitalisations at lessthan 10% of it. Wave 1 hardto judge case rate as testing was non-existant but still, similarly small percentage of the hospitalisations of wave 1. It still very much looks like vaccines work fine.
But then that Iraqi cunt Nadhim is on TV suggesting it'll be expected masks re worn indoors from next Monday. What? If that's anything more than silly 'guidance' that no one listens to like 'don't drink and drive' then how would that even work with allowing restrictions to end? What a fucking shambles.
They work in terms of reducing hospitalisation percentage, but the NHS gets overwhelmed everytime some twat twists their ankle so hospitalisation growth like this will have us back in lockdown in no time.
If vaccines don't work (at least well enough for the NHS to ever deal with all of its backlogs and get back to normal) we are fucked, absolutely fucked.The summer holidays should help massively. The real concern is going to be Autumn.
Scenes when ZeroCovid is the only actual solution.
That's not true
Plus on effectiveness here
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1413605927282958337?s=19
Hmmm. I went into battle for the vaccines earlier this year when it was said they were 100% effective against severe disease and that turned out not to be true, so I'm wary of everything that isn't consistent now.
Hospital numbers rising like this is not consistent with 8 months immunity.
Having looked at the numbers myself, I can't see how we avoid a lockdown here. We only have something like 10% of the hospitalisations we had with the same number of cases in January, but the increase in cases is ridiculous. Schools closing will help, but nightclubs and the like will be opening with zero distancing or masks. Superspreading dream conditions.
They really need to get cracking with vaccinating the kids. Although I fear the uptake will be very low there.
Yep, we're going back in and I think that'll finish me off.
Acting now would make things far easier, but I don't think BoJo has the balls to make that U-Turn.
Then there's the publics attitude. Would anyone actually follow lockdown rules now? I'm not sure I would particularly to be honest.
I suppose the next test will be how these hospitalisations translate to deaths. We can't rule out these hospitalisations just being a load of soft cunts getting a positive test and turning up at hospital immediately.
I've got pneumonia again.
I get my second jab on Wednesday, so I'd say by August if I'm following rules I'd only be doing so for the benefit of others.
The benefit of who though? The vanishingly small percentage of people who are both at risk and can't be vaccinated?
Everyone else isn't particularly at risk (and so would probably prefer to muddle on) or is a twat, and deserve all they get.
I'm supposed to be over in England for a month in August so if you could avoid fucking it up too badly and/or completely shitting the bed that would be appreciated. Or get on with it so I can abort.
I've got pneumonia again.
For the benefit of whoever it is that's still ending up in hospital with this thing.
Nobody cares about cases. Anything less than a thousand deaths a day and we're doing what we want.
I read somewhere recently (think it might have been Spiegelhalter related so not complete BS) that deaths linked to flu were something like X times more than those linked to covid in a recent sample, and pneumonia deaths were 10X in the same period.
A fully vaccinated 80 year old or somesuch is at the same level of risk as an unvaccinated 50 year old, so still 'at risk'. It is impossible to completely protect the old and infirm, they are by definition at risk of dying at any time. Becoming fixated on it very much is that cult of death thing the quote goes on about.
Cases do matter, though. If it's still circulating in large enough numbers, it'll trickle down to hospitals. There's also the increased risk of another variant that comes with it being so widespread.
Fuck the variant risk.
The problem so far as I can see will be if Hospitals are no longer able to function. Which seems to be the state of affairs at the moment without a load of Covid Cases to deal with.
I've not looked at the numbers since about Wednesday but going by this thread you'd think covid was now transmissible by eye contact.
If you got Covid in your eye you probably would catch it.
1 in 66 people could die? Yeah. Alright mate.
Yeah, that makes no sense and isn't helpful. We'd need another 870,000 deaths to hit 1m.
The SCIENCE clearly cannot grasp the concept of learning to live with it.
Grasping the concept is fine. Dealing with the reality is different. It's been almost 2 years.
I've just been playing around with some of the numbers.
I picked two points in the autumn wave of last year that represents 0% vaccination rate and the current numbers with ~50% of the adult population having had two doses. The seven day average for hospitalisations look like this
13/8/2020 - 101.7
30/9/2020 - 465
15/5/2021 - 101.6
3/7/2021 - 440.1
Not much difference here. But I think we can (hopefully) elucidate that this similar appearance is a transient effect of the un-/partially vaccinated being mopped up by the virus and the health system. I would wager the majority of the current hospitalisations are the unvaccinated or those with immune system conditions that have fucked them over in responding to the vaccine. My suspicion is that hospitalisation rate will start to flatten out eventually as we continue the ROLLOUT.
Death numbers on a seven day average over the same two time periods...
13/8/2020 - 8.9
30/9/2020 - 58.3
15/5/2021 - 7.1
3/7/2021 - 16.9
Now we can see the big difference. Over the first, pre-vaccine rollout, period the seven day death rate grew by a factor of around 6.5 but in the second period it has grown by 2.4. That's the pure effect of the vaccine and is stopping people from dying. As the percentage of the population having had two doses increases we should continue to see the average rate of deaths stagnate and drop again.
Missus' flatmate has tested positive. Both are single-jabbed. Now I've got the bitch 'self-isolating' with me for the next 10 days. Fuck off, love.
The hospital told me I'll test negative but I've definitely had it last week. They can fuck off.
It's just the flu.
No it's pneumonia.
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