That's the problem, isn't it?Originally Posted by John Arne
That's the problem, isn't it?
Indeed but if you want a state-provided vaccine we'll be waiting until the year 3000, when not much has changed but we live underwater, and I'm in no position to comment on the attractiveness of anyone's great great great grand-daughter.
They're all pretty fine.
20,000 cases in one day?
Yeah, we were doing that before lockdown.
Lockdown really didn't do much, did it? It's almost like everyone carried on regardless.
Who do you think gave Pfizer the money to do the research....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-home-preview
Tier 3 incoming. 50% increase in a week here.
Aye. We had one week of proper decreases but that was right before the lockdown ended.Lockdown really didn't do much, did it? It's almost like everyone carried on regardless.
Can you please not link to DM, we can do better.
BeckhamFC9?
I'm a twit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55269381
The Anti-Vaxx mob will love that.
One of my old school mates has just been put on a ventilator.
I read an article yesterday that its almost a 50/50 split wether areas went up or down post lockdown.Lockdown really didn't do much, did it? It's almost like everyone carried on regardless.
Southampton is down to 70 cases per 100k. No idea how we keep seemimg to avoid the worst of it.
Underlying health conditions etcOne of my old school mates has just been put on a ventilator.
Deserved it then. Fingers crossed he dies roaring so you could have a shandy.
The couple that I cant avoid get nice and wound up when tell them that I am looking forward to my covid jab.
Can't wait until you die of it x
Can anyone with more of a handle on this than I tell me where this reduction would sit on a graph plotting the course we need to take to reverse the mess we're in/heading for?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55261902
This is why people enjoy it when your life goes to shit.
I don't think reversal is an option. Not in the short term anyway. I'm sure I read somewhere that even if we stopped producing any form of pollution it would take decades for the shit already in the atmosphere to drop off.
Edit: this is a nice summary of what they're aiming for.
https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...global-warming
Exactly what Spikes said - the emissions are baked in now for the near future, it's just now a case of how bad do we want it to get. Hopefully we see the death of pointless retail consumerism.
What about your city breaks?
What about your mum.
Her carbon footprint is pretty small.
"In the developed world the carbon footprint of a child is roughly 58.6 metric tonnes annually, whereas that of a Malawian child has consistently been estimated between 0.07 and 0.1 metric tonnes annually."
That Bitch has Polar Bear blood on her hands.
Just have Malawian children, problem solved.
"In late 2020, China is at least close to having the same level of daily emissions as in 2019, and indeed some of our estimates suggest Chinese emissions may have actually increased for the year as a whole in 2020 relative to 2019, despite the pandemic," he added.
Lolz.
Madonna ahead of the game as always.
I can't understand why they were doing HIV tests on them
I'm assuming they recorded a false positive in an unrelated test and tested others that have had the vaccine because of that?
Can you imagine getting that news only for it to be a mistake.
The news on people with allergies being advised not to take it after we rolled it out (due to two nurses reacting badly) stinks of it not having been tested properly. Albeit I've an open mind to that take being brainwrong.
Ok, but all this talk of 2030/next couple of decades being the drop dead date. With the reduction we've seen in 2020 is that enough to put us on course, loads more, or not enough? This bit is crucial for me as if it's the latter then we need to give up trying (lol) now and focus on finding alternative solutions as we're never going to crack it this way.
Not enough. We're still heading towards 2-3 degree warmth on the current trajectory and emissions.
Our kid with a video:
All we are doing is slowing the increase. To stop it we would have to give up things that there is literally zero chance of people being willing to do. Consumerism, eating meat, airplanes and international trade being at the forefront along with reforestation on a massive scale.
Climate Change is a done deal as far as I'm concerned. In happier news, we will get off lighter than a lot of (mostly poor and brown) people.
Last edited by Spikey M; 11-12-2020 at 01:35 PM.
Climate change is happening, the extent of the change is what is controllable. Consumerism is only a something 100 years old, I don't think it's a done deal that it couldn't change.
China are being bold in their commitments and the one nation that could force it through but then they're also building coal powerplants so lol.
Oh and an interesting dashboard showing trajectory: https://www.schroders.com/en/lu/prof...nge-dashboard/
There's no money to be made in rolling back consumer consumption so it won't happen, we may manage a token reduction of overall emissions but it will be via new technologies rather than anything else. No government putting forward the sort of measures that would make any real difference would ever get elected, we will likely get better at managing the consequences and (as Spikey says) we'll have a front row seat for what happens to all the browner countries and (probably completely fail to) take appropriate action.
Maybe I explained this badly....
If the level we've reached due to the reduction in 2020 were to be the level we stay stay at each year hereafter, is that enough to hit the widely discussed 2030 point of no return target?
Until the point when climate change threatens consumer consumption.
No. The temperature would continue to rise albeit slower (not taking into account the impact of feedback loops).
On business/consumers doing their bit, that there's the will to make this or the demand to actually buy it proves we're utterly fucked on that score:
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Once that's Beyond Meat we'll be fine.
It isn't just the obviously gauche giant meat-pile meals etc, if you look at how things are built and the infrastructure that supports it all it's irrevocably riddled with oil based materials and practices. We're fucked on a scale that eating like Taz's grandma isn't going to solve.
I like to think of that Double BigMac as the emblem for all that's wrong with the way we consume.
It's horrific.
In the UK, construction accounts for 12% of all greenhouse emissions (with buildings and construction accounting for 36% of total global energy use). Massive impact.
Can you climate nonces stick to your own thread.
There was a famous (in my work anyway) case of an undiagnosed HIV patient who was really poorly and they couldn’t figure it out, despite numerous COVID tests confirming he was negative. Somewhere along they way they decided to test him for HIV, among a lot of other things, and it was positive, and his CD4 count was like 200 or something as equally low. He died. Now I presume a lot of COVID patients also get tested for HIV, cos a lot of the symptoms are the same, and presumably also those testing the vaccine do too.
Heard my grandma was talked about. Will you melts get over climate change already, fucking hell, I'd rather hear about the social barriers that prevent entry of blacks into eskimo communities.
It was a compliment if anything.
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