As I said on the last couple of pages, we need to be looking at and doing next steps now.
As I said on the last couple of pages, we need to be looking at and doing next steps now.
Fuck steps. I'm going pub with Waff.
I still don't see where you're expecting these pubs to be.
Not sure what you’re like there but here things are nearly back to normal, everyone is just ignoring the restrictions altogether and the authorities have given up on it. Knew it was going to happen the first sign of numbers going down because idiots can’t see that numbers are lower than predicted because of the restrictions.Originally Posted by Yevrah
I don't go out much and only then a few metres down my road, so it's hard to know how well it's being observed. Job was done though, we didn't breach NHS capacity, so we need to look at other options now.
You haven’t yet anyway. Relax it all and it’s bound to happen, the virus hasn’t gone away.
Having said that, there's no sign of any camel humped new cases charts for any country, is there? At best I'm looking at Japan and Singapore who seem to be keeping a degree of momentum but where them juicy second waves at?
It's too early to see, but the hump will be here in a couple weeks. Gonna go full Bactrian on this one. For once I agree with the potato man.
What do you think should happen now then?
Harder restrictions.
Japan are lying about their numbers anyway. No way their system is struggling with only 200 deaths.
For how long? Until a vaccine is found?
Can imagine my mate Kido going around hospitals doing that sneer thing and then ordering anyone in ICU shot so they didn't die of the virus.
Keep going in stages and decide at each point.
At the very least the current ones need to be extended with a big focus on enforcement this time round.
How long are the stages? Decide based on what?
Flouting is on the rise.
I’m not the one to make those decisions. Thinking you can open up because the hospitals haven’t been crowded so far is lunacy though.
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Living in a flat that looks out over a park, I haven't seen any change in flouting all month other than the odd person sunbathing on their own (the horror!)
The main increase has been in the sheer volume of incompetent cyclists on the roads. I swear I'll never slate the normal lot again.
The Guardian had a predictable piece saying how restaurants can't economically carry out social distancing and same will no doubt go for bars and clubs. These govts need to simply work on increasing hospital capacity and testing because this can't carry on. The rebellion will occur.
We'll probably carry on the lockdown 2-3 weeks longer than everyone else because that feels like the most British response. We pussyfooted over the lockdown, we'll pussyfoot the exit. We're talking about a second wave whilst we're still very much in the first, as well. Germany, Spain and Italy have eased when their cases are at the 2-3000 range. We're still wobbling around 5,000. Given how we've been locked down for a month, where are these cases coming from? Are they clusters within the hospital system itself, care homes, workplaces?
And we still don't comprehensively understand this virus. Italian science twats found genes related to the coronavirus in air pollution. If this disease is that airborne and can travel that far, we're into some weird territory.
Last edited by Shindig; 26-04-2020 at 11:39 AM.
Lots of places were struggling before, if they have to operate at 50% occupancy for long they will die.
It's probably better for the economy to open the bars and restaurants and subsidise them at half capacity than to Furlough everyone.
So many of those bars and restaurants need more support to even be open after this as many aren't eligible for the scheme. So many need the £25k grant threshold to be increased from £51k to £150k. Retail, leisure and hospitality accounts for north of £600BN to the economy.
If people are expecting to leg it to the pubs they are going to be disappointed.
https://raisethebarcampaign.com/
McDonalds and Hairdressers open up tomorrow. It's a big day
I don’t think anybody expects to be going to the pub for along time tbh.
I'm going on June 8th. Suckers.
There must be enough pent up demand to keep places going once they re-open at half capacity, because it will just spread out across the week rather than places doing most of their business over two nights.
Watch, John will get offended.McDonalds and Hairdressers open up tomorrow. It's a big day
But that would be so out of character of him.
The demand isn't the issue, it's the drinking culture in this country being thoroughly unsuited to stopping this spreading like wildfire again.
Social distance punch ups outside Oceana
Yeah, so bars and nightclubs aren't opening any time soon. But restaurants and table pubs can crack on half-full.
I'm guessing the idea is that lockdown is dissipating and eventually removing the virus from everybody in the population. So, when you reopen, there is no virus left to spread. Obviously that relies heavily on the virus having totally gone.
Once there’s an airport open you could only guarantee that for about an hour anyway.
Yup.
Beating it by locking down alone (particularly with our version of lockdown) would be impossible.
I can only assume they're waiting to get their shit together with the testing.
I went for a walk along the Thames this afternoon, and the water was so clear.
What does testing accomplish really though? Numbers for the news?
If you get it to a manageable level from the lockdown you could in theory eradicate it with testing and tracing afterwards. We're not very good with that at the moment though, and our airports are still open and we're not stopping anyone, so until Wallance make their next move I've no idea what our actual strategy is.
This is where I’m at with it. We don’t know if antibodies confer protection against reinfection and we don’t know how long the antibody persists in the blood. These are two massive unknowns that really need answering before we start creaming ourselves over testing and ending a lockdown.
Prison Planet absolutely losing his shit at Piers Morgan is very lol
Is Prison Planet a person? They should be in Johns names bracket.
One of my favourite tweets.
The antibody testing/immunity passport idea is separate to the antigen testing/contact-tracing idea, no? The former as you say is just theory atm but the latter is the South Korea model of beating the virus and what every country should be looking to pour its resources into.
I don't even know who this flange is but he's cropped up a lot today. He's an idiot.
Surely you've seen phonics before.
How has nobody put a bullet in that thing yet.
Looks like he's close to learning how to spell 'hamburger', so at least he's making progress.
Just remembered this moment again
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