You're all massive normies for thinking that Boris is in with a chance of dying or that some entry level Waffelz bollocks is a disgrace.
You're all massive normies for thinking that Boris is in with a chance of dying or that some entry level Waffelz bollocks is a disgrace.
It's just like the flu.
The old man phoned and asked me to delete the tweets. Fun whilst it lasted, someone managed to find my full name too.
I appreciate that ICU survival rates are pretty bad, but the bar for entry for him will have been incredibly low. The 1 in 2 survival rate is probably more 9 in 10.Originally Posted by Yevrah
NSW Premier has told her state that nothing will change in regards to social distancing untill a vaccine has been found.
Probably something as simple as a follower that knows you shopping you in a DM.
RIP Waff.
Hopefully it blows over in a week.
Don't fuck with cats or Boris.
I guess this was Boris' 'exit strategy'.
Not that it will be, James' is obviously right.
Where's the ther-moral-mometer on 'precautionary' ICU admission? Might someone else not actually need that bed?
You'd mostly be upset about the upcoming four years of President Mike Pence. He'd win without a shadow of a doubt.
Depends who it is, the PM probably ranks pretty high on the save list.
A footballer could have had that ventilator.
Some things make me think he isn’t fucked. Like being relatively young (that 50-69 age band upthread is massive), the Lombardy mechanical ventilation outcome data (which Boris is at least a step or two from yet as far as we know) showing more like 70% survival than 50% and the obvious point that he is going to be over-cared for because of who he is.
But then you take that all way and you’re still left with a very fat man in his mid-fifties. I worry about my own parents getting it and they’re only just older than him and neither are his size. Obesity is a mortality flag with this thing and it might fuck him.
Even if not he isn’t returning to normal PM duties this side of the summer.
Just seen Raab’s statement and, fuck me, there are the eyes of a man who has been told of dark possibilities.
He looked like a scared child when he appeared at the press conference last week, so I think he just realises he's hugely out of his depth.
Nonetheless, I still think Boris is in a whole world of trouble.
He isn't that fat these days. 2016 vintage would have croaked a week ago.
Aye. He looked and sounded very scared, I thought.
If I were Dominic Raab even in the most optimistic possible version of this scenario, I can tell you that I would be shitting the fucking bed.
Hell, I'm shitting the bed now and I'm only me.
Last edited by Jimmy Floyd; 07-04-2020 at 12:03 AM.
I’d be amazed of he isn’t classified as obese. Our view of what makes a person fat is pretty skewed.
An interesting take on testing from Anthony Minghella's brother:
Might be worth reading his experience with Covid-19 here first: https://www.minghella.com/from-the-d...of-the-street/
https://www.minghella.com/ramping-up...ng-is-useless/1) The tests don’t work
I was swabbed soon after arriving in hospital, by a very thorough emergency medicine doctor. She warned me the throat swab would make me gag, and it really did. She warned me the nasal swab was deep and invasive, and it really was. My ward doctor later said it feels like it’s going right into your mind, and he was right. It’s not nice.
The test came back negative.
The ward doctor had warned me it might. “It could come back negative, but we wouldn’t really believe it if it did,” he had said.
In other words, you know you’ve got Covid, and so do we. The test is a formality, and it may be wrong.
He knew the test might come back negative before it happened. Then it happened. This is clearly not just me. This is clearly A Thing.
The tests don’t work.
I don’t know that they produce false positives, but I know first-hand that they produce false negatives.
I was swabbed again by a different medic, equally thoroughly. The test came back negative again.
I know of another patient in the same hospital – a friend of my sister – who had three tests before the result came back positive.
Could it be the methodology? Are the medics thorough? After all, who wants to be up close and personal to a Covid patient and make him gag and cough? To work, the swabbing has to be quite invasive. But in my case, it was. I can’t imagine it being more thorough. Different medics performed the swabbing each time. I don’t believe the problem is in the methodology.
The tests just didn’t work.
2) The tests don’t matter
If you want to be tested at the moment, you had better be a cabinet minister, or royalty. Failing that, you have to present at hospital in a bad way, as I did. By that time, breathing, and indeed staying alive, seem a lot more important than technical confirmation of Covid-19. You know you’ve got it. The medics know you’ve got it. You want treatment, not confirmation.
Of course, before you are put onto a Covid-19 ward, you want to be pretty sure you haven’t been misdiagnosed, and then put into an infectious situation when you’re already ill with what, in fact, is not Covid. There were moments for me when I thought hang on, don’t put me in there until you’re 100% sure, but in all honesty, I knew. They knew. The main thing was to get the oxygen therapy and some care. Of all my worries, the lack of technical confirmation of Covid was way, way down the list. I was past the point of Needing To Know, and in the phase of Needing To Live.
That’s why I say the tests, for hospitalised patients, don’t matter.
3) The tests are too late
You can’t get tested in the early days of the illness. But that’s precisely when the test – IF IT WORKED – would be useful. I didn’t know I had it. Like others, my early symptoms were very mild. I wasn’t at all sure. I didn’t cough, and my fever was low-grade. I had some suspicions. By Day 6, if I’d had access to a test, I’d have taken it. I’d have known sooner. I’d have taken my worsening symptoms more seriously, and acted just that little bit more quickly. I’d have gone to hospital at least a day sooner; maybe two days, maybe even three. I was lucky, but for another patient, those one or two or three days could easily be the difference between in-time and too-late.
I was tested beyond the point where it mattered to me and would make any real difference. An earlier test, if reliable, would have been far more effective and meaningful.
In conclusion:
The tests are, in my humble opinion, and to use the technical term, crap. The evidence is four false negatives out of five tests, between me and my sister’s friend. And, much more to the point, the ward doctor’s clear expectation and experience. All of this is entirely anecdotal, of course, but I hope you’ll understand that I wouldn’t feel comfortable keeping quiet about it.
In any case, by the time the tests are given to patients already in extremis, they are of precious little interest. The need-to-know ship has sailed.
In the early days of the infection, when doubt can cause delay in taking symptoms seriously, a reliable test could make all the difference. But in those early days, ordinary folk like you and me can’t access any test, reliable or otherwise.
There’s been so much talk about the number of tests, and “ramping them up”. But, if my experience is anything to go by, what matters is not so much the quantity as the meaningfulness of the tests: whether they are reliable; whether you can get them in a timely fashion; whether they can make a real difference to your care.
Queensland has banned cruise ships from docking.
Yeah if anything getting on rammed trains to manchester everyday until recently with all manner of waifs and strays - the majority of them seemingly ill in the run up to work from home - probably put me at a higher risk than the geezer in his meetings with officials. It's likely shaking hands with all those positive cases that did him, sure I read it has up to 4 weeks incubation.
Aye, he did look properly rattled.
Have they correlated ‘obese’ with death from this? You think they’d have twigged that one a lot sooner.
Yeah, 'obese' seems to be a major comorbididty although it seems to translate through having other things like diabetes and high blood pressure (which are presumably more prevalent in the obese).
Why the fuck are cruise ships even moving around now?
I think they are trying to offload all their sick crew and passengers but no where will take them apart from Western Australia and NSW untill recently. Both states fucked it up completely I think. The Australians are allowed off but everyone else is told to die at sea.
The Ruby Princess is a ship of death.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/ru...b-7ff6c38476a2Manslaughter charges not ruled out in Ruby Princess deadly debacle
Auroro is another death trap.
https://cruisepassenger.com.au/were-...ip-in-uraguay/
Artania
Artania passengers claim 'gross negligence' as cruise operators dodge questions
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...06-p54hbv.html
Last edited by Queenslander; 07-04-2020 at 07:28 AM.
Queensland politician, NSW Premier being the 1st, has also said social distancing will stay unill a vaccine is found.
Does that means your society is going to remain largely closed until this time next year (I don't know, are pubs etc closed there now)? Good luck with that.
I cant find an articlr to back it up just yet but I assume we become the Socialist Republic of Australia?
Here are our state by state guidelines.
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...wo-person-rule
Last edited by Queenslander; 07-04-2020 at 08:01 AM.
Democratic People's Republic more like.
Democratic People's Republic of Àodàlìyǎ
Last edited by Queenslander; 07-04-2020 at 08:09 AM.
One factor not being considered is that Boris is/was a massive cokehead. He's probably in ICU as a precautionary measure, but I bet his general health is very poor.
I just watched a little bit of Sky News... They are loving this, and the lead guy, I think it's Adam Bolton is basically asking every guests 'when is Boris going to die'? They can't wait.
Yeah, so is heart might be ... on the edge. Moving him to ICU to be close to a ventilator sounds like when not if.
You'll all be shocked to know that Trump and his cabinet have investments in that company making the untested drug he keeps banging on about.
The anti-malaria one? I'd be all in for that as well given the AIDS pandemic. Supply and demand, suckers.
EDIT: Gove's isolating.
Last edited by Shindig; 07-04-2020 at 10:43 AM.
Just sitting here listening to our MD discuss with operations guy whether we can cut the cleaners down to 2 days a week due to the reduced number of people in the office.
It's truly a special time in our lives.
That is absolutely dreadful.
Hardly
It's just a bit rubbish.
I hate when people meme and use the wrong clip.
That coffin meme is superb, was only made aware of it yesterday but some absolutely belting ones about(I'd link but it's whatsapp so join The Group (pm kiko))
It makes me feel really uncomfortable at the amount of lol'ing in this thread in regards to those infected and the deaths. I'm no fan of Boris but at times like this do you really look at him as a prime minister and not a human being? It just seems so poor in taste.
My sister had to move out of her home yesterday as one of the places she's had to go to has is rampant with it so she's had to leave her 10 month old baby with her husband whilst she continues to work, straight off maternity leave and into the firing line. It was heartbreaking listening to her ball her eyes out about what's going on in the care homes and hospitals but still too many seem to not be taking it as seriously as it should be taken.
I have my own health issues so I'm nervous but being where I currently am (down Cornwall) probably helps as I'm completely excluded from many people, other than a shop at the local co-op I don't leave my bedroom. I don't know how the next few weeks are going to play out as I fell through the cracks of being furloughed due to my start date which is shit but putting things into perspective, I don't think I have it all too bad compared to the stories I've heard and the situation some find themselves in. I had hoped that by time this is all over then people would be a bit more human towards one another as I have it in mind that this is going to be a one off. I really do see us all back in this situation not long after it finally ends.
You'll be pleased to know You'll be pleased to know You'll be pleased to know
He’s a horrible dickhead who can be treated as such.
My furloughed colleague messaged over lunch to say his gran has Covid and is as good as dead (my words but his analysis). It's coming for us all.
Takes one to know one, young man.
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