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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Not rolling it out to the young on this basis is also only sensible if said younger people are happy to tolerate the apartheid system it is going to place them in (assuming alternative vaccines aren't really a short term option) OR if there is a general acceptance, where the at risk have been protected, that it's fine to go back to normal with the risk of young people contracting and spreading covid.

    Not sure either of those are likely.
    Suspect J&J / Novavax will change the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    What is the reasoning behind the age limit? Is it that the jab is more likely to cause a clot in younger people? Or simply that there's less point risking it on younger people because Covid isn't particularly dangerous to them anyway?
    Mostly column B I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Suspect J&J / Novavax will change the former.
    Still a fair way off though.

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    Brazil sounds fun.

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    Pfizer, Moderna and J&J will all be acceptable options for the under 30s. They’ll be no worries of them not getting a vaccine.

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    I'm a pretty fit and healthy 33-year-old and thinking about not bothering with the vaccine now. If I catch it and give it to a 60-year-old who then dies, it's on them for refusal. I'll wait for whatever they come up with in the future, or have it at a later date if anything changes.

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    Five minutes on Wall Street and he's a sociopath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post


    Brazil sounds fun.
    It is, think same as here but without a lockdown and less death.

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    If anyone at risk hasn't had the vaccine at this stage it's their own fault and they are responsible. I'm done and why take the small risk with a vaccine when I don't need to. I'm not anti-vax, either. Just pro-Mellin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post


    Brazil sounds fun.
    67000 in a month

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    Look at the deaths. Brazil is hardly a world leader in patient care, so what you have is probably thousands of people per day dying who are dying of normal stuff but just happened to have caught a highly contagious virus within the past 28 days. Load of shite. Clubs open plz, and fuck your message for the world creep.

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    They've probably got novid.

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    Remember when Brazilian leprosy used to be on charity appeals and that? It might be linked to that.

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    Lepnosy.

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    Fauxvid, Lepnosy or No-roVirus, their leader wants lynching.

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    To be frank, Bolsonaro deserves to catch it and die. Lot of blood on his hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    37391103/79

    It's actually 79 from 20 million. 4 in a million odds for it to trigger, 1 in a million to kill you. The under 30 cut-off starts to make some sense when 3 of the deaths came in that age group. It's bound to be lowest demographic we've pricked so the likelihood of a clot is probably significant.

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    The Chile mystery from yesterday appears to be solved by most of their vaccines being the shitty Chinese one that barely offers fifty per cent protection (and even for that you need both shots). They started banging it out in January, got all excited, loosened restrictions, and...

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    NOVID!

    I heard jab one is 3% effectiveness. What's the fucking point?

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    Chinese soft power is the fucking point, as it always is.

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    Why don't they just steal ours or the yanks, like the Russians did?

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    The irony of a Brit whose own vaccine is killing people claiming the Russians who are world-leading in the field of vaccine development and have developed a far superior product are copying them

    This post was sponsored by my missus.

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    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...07-p57hcl.html

    All the comments on this are either blaming the federal government for vaccinating too slowly (how could they do it any faster without making their own?) or seething that they're getting the shit vaccine. Are they all mental?

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    Commonwealth mates.

    Im booked in for the 27th of this month for my AZ jab.

    Scummo has been caught out lieing about plenty of big issues in the past 2 years. People dont believe him anymore.
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    Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine!
    Oi, oi, oi!

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    Britain to achieve herd immunity from Monday

    UCL modelling says number of people with protection either through vaccination or previous infection will hit 73.4 per cent on April 12

    The story is behind a paywall though.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ld-monday/amp/

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    Not sure about that.

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    Britain will pass the threshold for herd immunity on Monday, according to dynamic modelling by University College London (UCL), placing more pressure on the Government to move faster in releasing restrictions.

    According to the UCL results, published this week, the number of people who have protection against the virus either through vaccination or previous infection will hit 73.4 per cent on April 12 – enough to tip the country into herd immunity.

    The number is in stark contrast to the modelling released by Imperial College this week, which suggested there was just 34 per cent protection by the end of March.

    Last week, antibody testing by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggested that, in the week ending March 14, around 54 per cent of people in England already had antibodies to the virus, and slightly less in the devolved nations.

    Since then, a further 7.1 million people have received a first dose of vaccine and nearly 100,000 have tested positive for the virus, with many more acquiring a silent, asymptomatic infection.

    It is thought about one in 10 people also have some innate immunity through infections with other coronaviruses – pushing population-level protection up further – while others may be immune through T-cells, which would not be picked up in antibody testing.

    Prof Karl Friston, of UCL, said: "The herd immunity estimates surprised me. However, they are unremarkable when one considers that over 50 per cent of adults have been vaccinated, around 42 per cent of people have now been exposed to the virus and about 10 per cet have pre-existing immunity.

    "When factoring in the estimated efficacy of vaccination in terms of sterilising immunity, this – according to the model – means about 70 per cent of the population are immune.

    "Based upon contact rates at the beginning of the pandemic and estimated transmission risk, this is nearly at the herd immunity threshold."

    The model also suggests that, in the coming months, the threshold level needed for herd immunity will drop dramatically, with Britain needing just 40 per cent protection by the middle of the summer to be safe.

    The work by UCL differs from other models because it reacts quickly to real-time deaths, infections, vaccinations, vaccine effectiveness data, hospital admissions and Google mobility trends, which inform transmission trends and the 'R' rate, which it currently estimates to be 1.12.

    Despite the 'R' being above one, it predicts that deaths will continue to fall to low levels by May 24 and stay there, with no summer spike forecast.

    Modellers say their "most likely" scenarios contrast with the SPI-M projections of "reasonable worst-case scenarios" and are more optimistic about the pandemic.

    "Generally, the most likely predictions of mitigated responses, i.e. what is likely to happen, are more optimistic than worst-case projections of unmitigated responses – i.e. what could happen," the researchers said. The team also published the code of their model so that it can be checked.

    The Telegraph understands that the Government is unhappy with the pessimistic tone set by models produced by SPI-M, released earlier this week, and has asked other groups to critique the work. The SPI-M summary, presented to Sage, suggested the roadmap out of lockdown was "highly likely" to lead to increased hospital cases and deaths this summer.

    The models were criticised for using out of date and flawed assumptions about levels of population immunity and effectiveness of the vaccine as well as failing to factor in reductions in transmission due to vaccination and seasonality.

    Prof Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University, said: "In my 20-plus years as a doctor, I've never come across a summer surge in a respiratory infection in the UK. The modelling now keeps changing dramatically, so it's hard to see how it helps us. What we really want to do is look at the real-world data and make decisions from there.

    "One of the problems is nobody is going back and checking whether the modelling matched up with the reality. We know that modelling in schools has not helped us because it was incorrect. So we need to have a reality check."

    Boris Johnson has confirmed that he will not deviate from the current roadmap despite warnings from scientific advisers that it would result in a third wave.

    The Government also ignored dire predictions that reopening schools would trigger a spike of new infections, which did not come to pass.
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    Not a chance we're anywhere near herd immunity threshold. Might be creeping towards 50%.

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    How so? More than half of all adults are vaccinated and millions more have had the Virus. Obviously there will be an overlap in there, but we have to be well over 50%.

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    Three/four week lag for the vaccine to be effective I'd guess.

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    Given how long we've been in lockdown, I'd sort of agree. An infection only gets you six months and the majority of the Kent surge happened in Wales and London. 60% or around there.

    Anyway, here's a diagram of the clot rate:



    The older you get, the less it happens.
    Last edited by Shindig; 08-04-2021 at 08:25 AM.

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    Got the text last night, booked up and getting jabbed at 4.

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    Breaking news Im now getting the Pfizer jab instead.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...ople/100057184

    Im sure the Australian MSN will calm down now...
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    So not only have we ruined our lives to protect these fat old spastics, they're now demanding we take a dangerous vaccine for a harmless disease?

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    CoFlid19.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56665396

    Based on the figures announced today by the UK medicines regulator, if 10 million imaginary people were given the AZ vaccine you might expect to see 40 of these clots - with about 10 clots having fatal consequences.

    Ten deaths out of 10 million people vaccinated is a one-in-a-million chance.

    That's roughly the same risk as being murdered in the next month or - if you get in a car and drive for 250 miles - the risk of you dying in a road accident on that journey.


    For fucks sake.

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    That’s what I’ve been saying. You’ve got a vastly superior risk of dying in a car accident on the way to get the bloody thing. It’s madness.

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    I wonder if a number of key governmental/scientific figures from around Europe have shares in other companies also producing a vaccine.

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    Politicians? Bent? I won't hear it.

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    The boomers are seething about the under 50s getting the Pfizer jab. Lololol

    This is such a clusterfuck now.
    Last edited by Queenslander; 08-04-2021 at 10:48 AM.

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    There's no value in the Vaccine Stocks. There was back in May 2020, but they've all agreed to sell at cost until 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    That’s what I’ve been saying. You’ve got a vastly superior risk of dying in a car accident on the way to get the bloody thing. It’s madness.
    But you're more likely to die in a car accident than a plane crash.

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    *Magics irrelevant faaaaact of the weeeek*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    But you're more likely to die in a car accident than a plane crash.
    And you’re more likely to wet your knickers in the airport than die in a plane crash. So what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    *Magics irrelevant faaaaact of the weeeek*
    Makes you think, though.

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    Are you more likely to die in a hang glider or a hovercraft?

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    As a 40 year old waiting for the call to do my bit/get my pass to go on holiday, where does this all leave me?

    If I can have a shot of the BLOOD CLOT INDUCING Oxford vaccine quicker than anything else now, I will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    And you’re more likely to wet your knickers in the airport than die in a plane crash. So what?
    Why are they not letting us fly. It's disgusting.

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    “I’m not antivax I just don’t want the vaccine and won’t be getting it.” - Mellin

    I'm a twit

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    Not wanting a vaccine isn't the same as being antivax.

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