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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    It hasn't anywhere near enough. We have interview after interview, report after report on the BBC and elsewhere that at best contain factually incorrect information and at worst, outright lies. Barely a peep is raised against it and it keeps being published. No other walk of life gets off that lightly.

    Hell, you're still defending it.
    I'm not defending anything. There hasn't been one 'scientific' approach taken throughout the pandemic that has not been scrutinized, from locking down to transmission. You name it, people have questioned it and governments have acted in a way they have thought appropriately.

    Talking heads on media outlets doesn't mean SCIENCE is not questioned.

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    Meanwhile:

    A senior official from the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has told an Italian daily it is “clear” that there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare form of blood clot but that the cause is still not known
    30 cases in 18 million doses given in the UK. My rudimentary mathematics tells me that is 1 in 600,000. I do wonder if AstraZeneca regret getting into this game. They will probably end up saving hundreds of thousands of lives across the world and all anybody does is piss and moan and tell them they’re shit. What a world we live in.

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    What's the issue with them doing their job? Advising there is a link doesn't mean that it doesn't become an accepted risk of the vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    What's the issue with them doing their job? Advising there is a link doesn't mean that it doesn't become an accepted risk of the vaccine.
    Well it hasn’t been accepted. Off the top of my head I can think of the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Canada who have all either paused administration or placed restrictions on its use. 1 in 600,000 risk. There’s more chance of me getting killed driving to the vaccine centre.

    At every turn they are damaging an extremely important vaccination programme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    What's the issue with them doing their job? Advising there is a link doesn't mean that it doesn't become an accepted risk of the vaccine.
    This is an example of what I'm getting at. Your first response to anything said by anyone in scientific community is to defend them. That isn't scrutiny.

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    The type of clot is abnormally high in the age group which appears to be because of the vaccine. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated and determine the appropriate action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    The type of clot is abnormally high in the age group which appears to be because of the vaccine. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated and determine the appropriate action.
    Responses have to be proportionate. If this was a 1 in 1,000 or 10,000 I’d be right there with you. But it isn’t anywhere near that level of risk. We’ve got people not turning up for vaccine appointments because of worry. We’ve got countries putting restrictions on the vaccine left, right and centre and some politicians using as a point-scoring exercise.

    This vaccine should be given to all adults. It’s as simple as that.

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    Agree - the risk is incredibly small and that message should be clear.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ck-in-lockdown

    We need to slow down or else we could end up like Chile. Major drivers like if the AZ vaccine turns out to be less effective at reducing infection are being ignored.

    Put back the saunas till September. 2026.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ck-in-lockdown

    We need to slow down or else we could end up like Chile. Major drivers like if the AZ vaccine turns out to be less effective at reducing infection are being ignored.

    Put back the saunas till September. 2026.
    It's as if they're aiming this at me now.

    But the UK can easily blow it. Prof Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, has said there will definitely be another surge in coronavirus when the UK comes out of lockdown. What is unclear is how bad the resurgence will be and when it will peak. Documents released on Monday by the government’s Sage experts suggest a third wave could peak in late July or August, with one pessimistic but plausible scenario anticipating a situation as severe as that experienced in January when half of all UK Covid deaths occurred. A major driver for that bleak outcome would be if the AstraZeneca vaccine turns out to be less effective at reducing infection, limiting its impact on the spread of the disease.
    I'm going to lose my shit.

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    Who have Chile actually given the vaccine to?

    They're well behind us in the first place (circa 10%), but this article from Amnesty suggests they weren't prioritising the at risk groups, which would explain everything.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...id-para-todas/

    Staggering all these articles have gone to town on Chile without taking either of the two potential factors above into account.

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    Guardian again seems to suggest they were vaccinating the right people:

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...cines-strategy

    I will get to the bottom of this.

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    Right.

    Chile has recorded an increased number of cases that is significant.

    Nearly half of the South American country’s population has received at least one vaccine dose, but on Friday, Chile recorded 7,626 new cases over a 24-hour period – the highest total at any point during the pandemic – and it is now approaching 1m cases in total.

    More than 80% of the country’s 19 million inhabitants, including all residents of the capital, Santiago, have been put under a strict lockdown that prevents them leaving the house even to buy groceries or pharmacy supplies this weekend. During the week, each person is allowed two short-term permits to leave the house to buy essentials and can exercise outdoors between 7am and 8.30am. Only 169 intensive care beds remain available nationwide – an occupancy rate of more than 95%.
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...nation-success

    But, the deaths haven't particularly followed suit yet:



    And, while this article is a little old, Chile don't/didn't have enough intensive care beds for an ageing population anyway.

    Moreover, the progressive ageing of the population due to declining birth rates and an increasing life expectancy (OECD), together with the increasing complexity of medicine, have raised the demand for intensive care beds in the country.
    This has led to a sustained growth in critical care beds, still insufficient for the increasing population and complexity.
    https://healthmanagement.org/c/icu/i...icine-in-chile

    So I think what we're seeing here is a move from the Chilean government out of an abundance of caution rather than a wholesale failure of their vaccination rollout which is being reported by our bed-wetters here.

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssessions.html

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    My cynical side is in overdrive at the moment, but the family are trousering it in something rotten, aren't they?

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    And we've shat the bed now too it seems.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

    A trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine on children has been paused while the UK's medicines regulator investigates a possible link with rare blood clots in adults.
    I thought we'd investigated this?

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    The order for giving out vaccinations is utterly bizarre. Why are people who sell glasses in an opticians getting both their jabs before teachers have any?
    I'm a twit

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    They have more contact with people liable to die from it.

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    I'm getting my vaccine today. If you don't see me later, just know that I love some of you.

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    Not enough people dying from covid to keep the fear going so now so let's scare them over the vaccine.

    Just fuckoff.

    If I have to listen to that melt Drakeford drone on about a possible rise in cases possibly sometime never in the near/far future, I'll be marching on the Senedd armed with a fucking pitch fork..

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    Bit much, mate.

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    Discounting the obvious answer, how do France go from 60,000 new cases a day to sub 10,000 in a matter of hours/days?

    Is it all just made up?

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    I've been trying to think for ages what Drakeford reminds me of, and I think it's the Stink Spirit from Spirited Away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Discounting the obvious answer, how do France go from 60,000 new cases a day to sub 10,000 in a matter of hours/days?

    Is it all just made up?
    Bank Holiday numbers, maybe?

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    Didn't expect an anime reference out of Jimmy.

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    I am culturally rounded, erm, sensei? Pal.

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    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Discounting the obvious answer, how do France go from 60,000 new cases a day to sub 10,000 in a matter of hours/days?

    Is it all just made up?
    Their numbers always looked to me like they were reported 4 days out of 7 or something. So they peak and plummet loads.

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    Are these Sage arseholes optimistic about anything? All I hear out of them is negativity and doomsday projections. Fucking sick of them.

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    They've said this when we're rolling out the Moderna vaccine from today.

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    7om needs the saunas more than Don at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I am culturally rounded, erm, sensei? Pal.
    Chihiro the kitten incoming!
    I'm a twit

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    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/as...lots-low-blood

    AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine: EMA finds possible link to very rare cases of unusual blood clots with low blood platelets

    News 07/04/2021
    EMA confirms overall benefit-risk remains positive
    EMA’s safety committee (PRAC) has concluded today that unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects of Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca).

    In reaching its conclusion, the committee took into consideration all currently available evidence, including the advice from an ad hoc expert group.

    EMA is reminding healthcare professionals and people receiving the vaccine to remain aware of the possibility of very rare cases of blood clots combined with low levels of blood platelets occurring within 2 weeks of vaccination. So far, most of the cases reported have occurred in women under 60 years of age within 2 weeks of vaccination. Based on the currently available evidence, specific risk factors have not been confirmed.

    People who have received the vaccine should seek medical assistance immediately if they develop symptoms of this combination of blood clots and low blood platelets (see below).

    The PRAC noted that the blood clots occurred in veins in the brain (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, CVST) and the abdomen (splanchnic vein thrombosis) and in arteries, together with low levels of blood platelets and sometimes bleeding.

    The Committee carried out an in-depth review of 62 cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis and 24 cases of splanchnic vein thrombosis reported in the EU drug safety database (EudraVigilance) as of 22 March 2021, 18 of which were fatal.1 The cases came mainly from spontaneous reporting systems of the EEA and the UK, where around 25 million people had received the vaccine.

    COVID-19 is associated with a risk of hospitalisation and death. The reported combination of blood clots and low blood platelets is very rare, and the overall benefits of the vaccine in preventing COVID-19 outweigh the risks of side effects.

    EMA’s scientific assessment underpins the safe and effective use of COVID-19 vaccines. Use of the vaccine during vaccination campaigns at national level will also take into account the pandemic situation and vaccine availability in the individual Member State.

    One plausible explanation for the combination of blood clots and low blood platelets is an immune response, leading to a condition similar to one seen sometimes in patients treated with heparin (heparin induced thrombocytopenia, HIT). The PRAC has requested new studies and amendments to ongoing ones to provide more information and will take any further actions necessary.

    The PRAC stresses the importance of prompt specialist medical treatment. By recognising the signs of bloods clots and low blood platelets and treating them early, healthcare professionals can help those affected in their recovery and avoid complications.

    Vaxzevria is one of four vaccines authorised in the EU for protecting against COVID-19. Studies show that it is effective at preventing the disease. It also reduces the risk of hospitalisation and deaths from COVID-19.

    As for all vaccines, EMA will continue to monitor the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness and provide the public with the latest information.

    Information for the general public
    Cases of unusual blood clots with low platelets have occurred in people who received Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca).
    The chance of having this occur is very low, but you should still be aware of symptoms so you can get prompt medical treatment to help recovery and avoid complications.
    You must seek urgent medical attention immediately if you have any of the following symptoms in the weeks after your injection:
    shortness of breath
    chest pain
    leg swelling
    persistent abdominal (belly) pain
    neurological symptoms, such as severe and persistent headaches or blurred vision
    tiny blood spots under the skin beyond the site of the injection.
    Speak to your healthcare professional or contact your relevant national health authorities if you have any questions about the roll out of the vaccine in your country.
    Information for healthcare professionals
    EMA has reviewed cases of thrombosis in combination with thrombocytopenia, and in some cases bleeding, in people who received Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca).
    These very rare types of thrombosis (with thrombocytopenia) included venous thrombosis in unusual sites such as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis and splanchnic vein thrombosis as well as arterial thrombosis. Most of the cases reported so far have occurred in women under the age of 60 years. Most cases occurred within 2 weeks of the person receiving their first dose. There is limited experience with the second dose.
    As for the mechanism, it is thought that the vaccine may trigger an immune response leading to an atypical heparin-induced-thrombocytopenia like disorder. At this time, it is not possible to identify specific risk factors.
    Healthcare professionals should be alert to the signs and symptoms of thromboembolism and thrombocytopenia so that they can promptly treat people affected in line with available guidelines.
    Healthcare professionals should tell people receiving the vaccine that they must seek medical attention if they develop:
    symptoms of blood clots such as shortness of breath, chest pain, leg swelling, persistent abdominal pain
    neurological symptoms such as severe and persistent headaches and blurred vision
    petechiae beyond the site of vaccination after a few days.
    The benefits of the vaccine continue to outweigh the risks for people who receive it. The vaccine is effective at preventing COVID-19 and reducing hospitalisations and deaths.
    National authorities may provide additional guidance on the roll out of the vaccine based on the situation in your country.
    Healthcare professionals involved in giving the vaccine in the EU will receive a direct healthcare professional communication (DHPC). The DHPC will also be available.

    More about the medicine
    Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca) is a vaccine for preventing coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in people aged 18 years and older. COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus. COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is made up of another virus (of the adenovirus family) that has been modified to contain the gene for making a protein from SARS-CoV-2. The vaccine does not contain the virus itself and cannot cause COVID-19.

    The most common side effects are usually mild or moderate and improve within a few days after vaccination.

    More about the procedure
    This review was carried out in the context of a safety signal, under an accelerated timetable. A safety signal is information on a new or incompletely documented adverse event that is potentially caused by a medicine such as a vaccine and that warrants further investigation.

    The review was carried out by EMA's Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC), the Committee responsible for the evaluation of safety issues for human medicines. EMA’s human medicine committee, CHMP, will now rapidly assess any necessary changes to the product information.

    EMA’s scientific assessment underpins the safe and effective use of COVID-19 vaccines. EMA’s recommendations are the foundation upon which individual EU Member States will design and implement their own national vaccination campaigns. These may differ from country to country depending on their national needs and circumstances, such as infection rates, priority populations, vaccine availability and hospitalisation rates.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/business...new-york-float

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    I heard under 30s would all be getting J&J anyway (the one shot edition).

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    AZ vaccine can join the life-threatening illness in 'things you won't be getting'.

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    Nobody will be getting AZ now. They're giving me second thoughts and I'm about the least anti-vaxx it's possible to be.

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    Seems to have worked ok for the first 20 odd million doses.

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    Younger people might as well not have one if it delays things getting back to 'normal'.

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    I reckon they’re bowing to pressure here. So much has been made of these clots, they basically had to come out and do something.

    This whole thing has been very damaging, though. Shame.

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    37391103/79



    I quite like the nuanced nature of the balance of risk (ie the balance is in favour of caution in a low covid environment) but I fear that said nuance will be largely lost in reporting, which will probably be quite detrimental.

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    If we've now decided not to give it to under 30s, what were Europe doing restricting its use with the over 60s?

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    In short, because there's a lot more virus in Europe and so the benefits of continuing to use it in that age group are greater for them than they are for us.

    Jean-Claude had a nifty graphic up earlier as alluded to by niko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    In short, because there's a lot more virus in Europe and so the benefits of continuing to use it in that age group are greater for them than they are for us.

    Jean-Claude had a nifty graphic up earlier as alluded to by niko.
    But it's the over 60s who need the vaccine to stop them dying from COVID in the first place.

    I'm rapidly reaching the point where nothing to do with COVID makes any sense any more.

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    Restricting its use in older age groups was (and still is) completely nonsensical.

    All previous usage limitations have had a fairly heavy dose of politics in them.

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    Not rolling it out to the young on this basis is also only sensible if said younger people are happy to tolerate the apartheid system it is going to place them in (assuming alternative vaccines aren't really a short term option) OR if there is a general acceptance, where the at risk have been protected, that it's fine to go back to normal with the risk of young people contracting and spreading covid.

    Not sure either of those are likely.

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    What is the reasoning behind the age limit? Is it that the jab is more likely to cause a clot in younger people? Or simply that there's less point risking it on younger people because Covid isn't particularly dangerous to them anyway?

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