Ah there it is again.
Ah there it is again.
Lolling about small children being seriously unwell and needing intensive care is low even for you.
Who's laughing at that? The laugh is that you think because 1 child in a billion had more than a sniffly nose and that's cause to have a panic attack.
We've had 4 kids transferred to PICU with it in the last few months. Addenbrooke's has a team specifically set up to deal with it.
It's not cause for 'panic attacks', but I would still get my kid vaccinated if I had one.
And how many children are there under the area you cover? About a million or something? So that's 1 a month, out of a trillion children. Excuse me for not being able to get hard.
A trillion children? Yikes!
The entire population served by the hospital is under a million. Extrapolating from the UK data as a whole, about 18% of that will be under 16. So we serve less than 180,000 children as a department.Originally Posted by Magic
So that's ~1 in 45,000 children going to intensive care from Norfolk for PIMSTS in the last few months. That's much higher than the clot risk for the Astrazeneca jab, also bearing in mind that clot risk is in people who've actually definitely had the jab as compared to the PIMSTS risk being for every child in Norfolk, many of whom won't have had covid.
I'm well aware that's all anecdotal and not proper research, but the point remains I would still want to vaccinate my hypothetical child based on my experience.
Last edited by randomlegend; 07-05-2021 at 03:08 PM.
And were these children fit and healthy with nothing underlying? Honest answer only, please.
Also if you had a child you'd have a different opinion, and I appreciate it's not like the healthcare profession/the science to just look at numbers rather than real life, but we'll let you off this time.
One was overweight, but no other underlying health conditions. The others were completely fit and well.
So 4 becomes 3. Bearing in mind the argument here is protecting the ones that are higher risk, and if there's none then leave it be.
I'm looking at the real life of seeing these children become extremely unwell and having to go to intensive care. The numbers just happen to also back me up.
No 4 doesn't become 3. Being overweight isn't relevant to every condition, and there's no evidence it puts kids at higher risk of PIMSTS.
Why do you care about it so much with these minute numbers? What about cancer and all the other illnesses where the rates are far worse the 3 in a gazillion? Why isn't this much effort being put in to other more serious, pressing and prevalent issues?
There's no evidence kids are at risk of this either, barring your ultra exceptional cases (probably due to your shit hospital).
There is a 0% chance you're going to convince him RL but God love you for trying.
For my part, information has been taken on board. Thanks.
AstraZenica appears to be off the menu for the under 40's now anyway, and Pfizer and Moderna seem to worry people less. Rightly or wrongly.
Last edited by Spikey M; 07-05-2021 at 03:37 PM.
From a trillion children to a gazillion...
The numbers aren't that small. Because it's serious. What 'effort' are you talking about? If there was an available vaccine for cancer I can assure you I'd want to give that to kids too.
Oh wait, there is a vaccine which prevents nearly all of a certain type of cancer. The HPV vaccine. Maybe we should organise a national HPV vaccination programme?
Lol so there have been 268 cases of PIMS or whatever acronym you lot have applied to it, in the whole of the UK, ever. That's out of 13 million under-16s.
216 of those were PIMS only, so less other similar immune disease.
32 of those were overweight, and 43 of those had other underlying health conditions.
Of the 118 admitted to hospital, only 89 didn't have that other auto-immune stuff (but were still overweight/underlying health).
Of the 118 that went to hospital, 2 died.
So that's 2 children, in a year, from 13 million.
I know, it's just fun. Imagine how fucked up your world is making decisions based on numbers. Like a health accountant.
"This is people's lives"
*makes decisions based on numbers and no humanity whatsoever*
Ah we're back to "if you have an underlying health condition you're pretty much dead" line of argument.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...052-1/fulltext
That's where you've taken those numbers from.
I.e a month and a half, not a year.Cases with symptom onset between 01 March and 15 June 2020 were included.
Quality reading.
Kawasaki and toxic shock are not underlying conditions, they are part of the same illness.
You're literally the one doing that.
"It's only this many so it doesn't matter if some kids die from it".
Fancy a Pims now ffs.
If your kid* is fat, as in clinically obese, I hope you both get PMSL or whatever.
*I have the right to change my mind if my child gets fat.
I'm a twit
Stop making out like it's 50/50.
The argument is why vaccinate healthy children against something that's harmless to them.
Any more people without kids want to tell us how to parent.
By your own logic, the vaccine is even more harmless.
He's a paediatrician giving advice on kids health. Come back down of the ledge Mags.
And doing nothing is even more harmless still.
I can't work out any more whether you're just trolling or you're genuinely too thick to understand.And doing nothing is even more harmless still.
Surely there’s a chance, no matter how slim, of some bad side effects coming to light in the future?
I'm a twit
That quarantine travel exemption list though.
He's never leaving it.
That's my in-laws holiday to Antigua next month fucked.
Mental. Their 7 day average for cases is fucking 0.
You've got to admire the spirit.
New Zealand and Australia on the green list
Good luck with them.
Equally there's a chance of some unforeseen bad long term effects of covid. There's already concerns about lasting cardiac damage from covid even in people who were minimally symptomatic.
Anyway, the actual argument against my position is that you can't be sure that being vaccinated would prevent PIMSTS until you start vaccinating.
I have gotten a couple of invites to events (that I have zero interest in attending) explicitly saying to not come if you are not vaccinated. A month ago they would have been ok with everyone attending, even though no one was vaccinated, but now, not anymore. It is always funny how the safer things get the more worried about safety some people become.
EDIT: Masks and social distancing are still expected, of course.
Last edited by Pepe; 07-05-2021 at 04:39 PM.
Yeah, well, you can't be sure that being vaccinated would prevent PIMSTS until you start vaccinating.
I care more about children than Karen from Norwich.
What if Karen is a child herself.
RL hasn't had kids yet.
True, good point Spikey.
The "you'll understand when you have kids" line/argument is just the worst.
Awesome, I'm picking Pfizer for my jab, then. And having a good old British holiday in shit British weather.
Look, I have kids but I don't use them.
Isn't it pretty much fucking useless?
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