Is this drive by Bottas worse than the famous Massa one at Ailverstone? At the Temple of Massa, too.
Is this drive by Bottas worse than the famous Massa one at Ailverstone? At the Temple of Massa, too.
Leclerc has quietly had an excellent day here.
Last edited by Serj; 15-11-2020 at 11:35 AM.
This has been a drivers' race. They're all basically in the same car. No surprise to see Hamilton taking the absolute piss, Leclerc excellent and Stroll going into reverse at the first sign of adversity.
Devastated for Stroll. He just hasn't made those new tyres work.
Perez sensible enough to go steady and hold his position, Hamilton demonstrating why he deserves every one of those wins and titles.
And my half-arsed glance at MotoGP seems to suggest Joan Mir is on the cusp of a World Championship. 3 wins an fuck all for it, Fabio.
Yep, you can see the huge gap in experience between Perez and Stroll.
Man, that was actually kind of emotional.
One of his greatest drives. Top 5 at least. Look at those tyres ffs.
Aaaand Leclerc threw it away at the end. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things though, I guess. Still very impressive - was that the best Ferrari race with Binotto not being there?
What a perfect way to do it. Lovely touch from Seb there too.
If there was any doubt as to how much better he is than this current field, he's erased that today surely.
Stroll proper shit the bed today, poor fella.
Bottas is just lol.
Look at that leaderboard for racing point.
Perez minus 2 races is still 25 points ahead of stroll.
Great race to watch, and a really masterful drive from Hamilton. These conditions just prove how brilliant a driver he is, much more so that him coasting to victories in the dry.
Still think that was Max's race and he threw it away. He was the fastest driver all weekend and pushed too hard at Turn 11 behind Perez, and it went from bad to worse from then.
Hamilton has won all but 1 of the rain affected races since 2014.
Last edited by Gray Fox; 15-11-2020 at 12:23 PM.
Verstappen won last year in Germany when it rained.
Verstappen seemed to completely lose his head when he wasn't on pole, had a shit start, made a dreadful strategy call about staying on wets (got away with it), then a pathetic impatient error behind Perez, then spun again behind Leclerc. Like I said earlier it felt like he was feeling entitled to win for some reason, but you saw the difference in class between him and Hamilton. He has a lot more maturing to do before he reaches championship level.
Stunning weekend from start to finish. It’s why I love this sport.
Watch them never go back to any of these circuits again.
I have another rage every time I remember they're going to Saudi Arabia for the penultimate race next year.
I was never the greatest Istanbul Park fan (think people went overboard on it because it was better than the true Tilke nightmares like Korea (lol) and new Hockenheim), but given a mix of rain and marmalade on the asphalt it was a good layout for this race. The middle eastern ones are a bloody nightmare. I didn't mind Bahrain in the day, but night races just look mickey mouse to me. God, China is absolute shit as well. Those first 2/3 corners should be bombed.
Best Tilke track = Sepang.
The old Bahrain layout with the wiggly middle sector was fucking awful. And isn't part of that what they're running the outer loop on?
Sepang is brilliant, agreed. Hopefully that'll come back as the TBC race for 2021. COTA is ok, but seems to just last too long. India is another Tilke track that just slipped off the map.
My main memory of India gravitates around stray dogs running onto the track. Didn't it have his stupid thing he loves to do with hairpin running into a massively long straight? Singapore has that as well. Total bullshit design as it massively rewards drivers in laptime for getting the exit of a 50mph corner right, rather than the ability to nail the challenging sections.
Smog. That's all I remember of India. Korea had that mickey-mouse bent straight.
Yes, that pretty much sums up India - smog and I think two straights that had tight corners leading onto them. It also had another one of those multi-apex corners, presumably because Turn 8 at Istanbul had earned such rave reviews.
Didn't they build the Korean track out in the middle of nowhere on the promise of a new city being built up around it?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ko...!4d126.4154292
Looks like it.
What a brilliant race/prolonged trolling exercise by Hamilton.
As was pointed out by the commentators it really is so much better when they can't just take every corner flat out. Get the Turkish tarmac recipe rolled out across the world. And Bernie's sprinklers.
Yeah, I think it was Johnny Herbert who said we don’t want to see this every week. Maybe not to this extreme but actually seeing the drivers work hard at driving the cars is a nice change. Martin Brundle is always commenting on how some corners on tracks now are not even corners anymore back to when he was driving.
Hopefully the 2022 designs can strip away some downforce and we see more work on the driver’s end.
I think the 2022 spec is about giving more downforce in situations where you follow another car. They want to see more overtakes coming through corners and such rather than just wait for your DRS zone and hit the overtake button.
I think they want to look at ground effect again as it will, as you say, make it easier for cars to follow each other. That's also the reason you've seen teams ditch the Red Bull-esque high rake design.
Bring back Bernies fan car I say.
Bring back Bernjes sprinkler idea
Rather than sprinklers they should just go to places with shit weather. Knockhill please.
Chaparral 2J > Brabham BT46
I wonder whether there is scope for a smaller team to just develop the perfect car for Monaco, say, knowing that it would be useless in all but about three races and just write them off. Conversely, build something that canes on the straights and just about keeps it together in the corners, like that Peugeot that went to Le Mans just to break the speed record.
It's in PC2 (I bloody hate it, can never get the uphill chicane right or the exit of Clark corner).
Reading twitter and elsewhere, the mental gymnastics people will go through to do down Hamilton's achievements is genuinely insane. Do these people actually watch the races? Yesterday he was in about the 4th or 5th fastest car and absolutely pissed a 30 second win as his team mate drove around at the back.
I think there's a bit of soft racism in there as well as the bitter fury of Ferrari-leaners and others.
I had someone on Facebook (I was really bored) bringing up Mercedes use of slave labour during the war, which ok, is a valid point but it seemed rather convenient and somewhat out of character for this person.
Racing Point have come out and said Stroll suffered front wing damage and subsequent massive loss of downforce. That apparently explains why he was complaining about graining on his inters about 2 laps into his second stint.
I saw that, seemed laughable.
"Racing Point would like to confirm that during routine examinations after the race, it was discovered that Lance Stroll in fact has an IQ of nine hundred, and a three foot knob."
More likely he didn't get enough heat into them before trying to push, but I think we all probably knew that. The lengths they go to disguise his deficiencies is getting ridiculous, I hope Vettel absolutely trounces him next year.
Yep, this race confirmed my extremely unlikely transition into being a closet Vettel fan. I was genuinely happy for him being back on the podium, which is more of a signifier that his threat level is lower than ever.
I've always thought he comes across as a nice guy when you see him interviewed, bordering on a good sense of humour even. But for me he falls slightly short of 'class act' due partly to the Multi 21 thing but mostly because of Baku 18, that was one of the most childish things I've seen.
I used to utterly despise him at Red Bull, but part of me wonders if that was me actually despising Horner and Marko through him, or maybe even just a lifelong nervous reaction against front-running Germans.
Alonso is definitely the bigger prick of the two. In fact it's not even close.
Was the 21 thing not because Webber had screwed him over first?
Good lord it's not even a contest.
When he was at Red Bull I always wanted other people to win and we'd had a decade of waiting for a British contender (sorry DC) only for him to walk all over Hamilton and Button for several years. Plus He would also often win in a very annoying way if you were rooting for someone else; scamper off in the first 20 laps and sit a pitstop ahead of everyone then just control the race from there.
And there was definitely the cold hard fact that Marko hated Webber. Turning up at the airport specifically to call him shite, etc. As for Stroll, I like him. He's sort of had this thrust upon him by an overbearing dad but he's not Grosjean or Magnussen levels of mediocrity. He has the highs in him but he needs the right people in the garage to foster it. Vettel might be the right teammate for him.